I think I have an Idea of the next Melee Class!

[Baxcel]

A recent interview with Yoshi P has shed some light on the job development process (and is interesting in general, worth a read)

https://www.impulsegamer.com/naoki-y...vs-lore-story/

The pertinent part is right here



So jobs are decided upon from a gameplay perspective first and then are back-filled to fit the lore and story of the game (which explains why no Gunbreakers besides players and Thancred show up on The First). So for speculation, "story-sense" is low on the totem pole of consideration.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you here..

The reason there is no gunbreakers on the first is due to the lack of Allegans and Garlians.. they pushed the revolution on tech so fast on the source, with guns being very common over in illsibard that the Hrothgar made their gunblades.. Thancred even mentioned before he was called that he learned a new trick in Galamuld.. he was most likely going to show us his gunblade skills..

Now on the first no such tech advancements were made.. looking at the guards most are either casters or melee.. even the mighty Rokan empire never made it much further then melee an casting.. they never learned summoning as shown by the ink mages during Heroes Guantlet.. summoning is exclusive to the source..

[Rymi64]

Now on the first no such tech advancements were made.. looking at the guards most are either casters or melee.. even the mighty Rokan empire never made it much further then melee an casting.. they never learned summoning as shown by the ink mages during Heroes Guantlet.. summoning is exclusive to the source..

Not necessarily, There does seem to be some who know (or atleast knew) How to do summoning's. Prime example is Ran'jits family line, Their serpents (Huracan and Gukumatz) are essentially egis just through a different technique we dont know about other than they are made from their blood so at least on the first summoning is a thing. But yes the first technologically didn't have a reason to make gunblades so none really exist, though one could argue that mana triggers are the firsts equivalent to gunblades. Also i don't think the ink mages come from the first since elidibus was able to pull wills from across space and time so they could come from different shards than the source and first.

[GrumbleBeard]

Didn't they mention once before they wanted to include some kind of exorcist or onmyoji type class? Both have some ties to spirits passing on. I could see them making a kind of reverse red mage where it's mostly melee with a disengage to throw some spells. It being supposedly maiming gear makes it seem like a stretch for what I imagine the class to be though.

[Baxcel]

Not necessarily, There does seem to be some who know (or atleast knew) How to do summoning's. Prime example is Ran'jits family line, Their serpents (Huracan and Gukumatz) are essentially egis just through a different technique we dont know about other than they are made from their blood so at least on the first summoning is a thing. But yes the first technologically didn't have a reason to make gunblades so none really exist, though one could argue that mana triggers are the firsts equivalent to gunblades. Also i don't think the ink mages come from the first since elidibus was able to pull wills from across space and time so they could come from different shards than the source and first.

Well I didn't mean they were from the first.. i was more pointing at no other shards had the Allegan style of summoning with primal eggies

[Ultimatecalibur]

The end boss of e12 was speculated to almost certainly be Ultimecia

The end boss of e12 was Artemisia/Ultimecia just not in a form we were expecting. Eden's Promise is based on a statue of Artemis and Oracle of Darkness uses many abilities that originated in FFVIII's final boss battle with Ultimecia.

and many were convinced the 4th healer would be Chemist, with strong "hints" for both ingame.

Chemist was for the most part the result of a red herring that concealed that the actual job hint in 5.3 was in the G-Warrior fight.

In Stormblood we thought we were getting dancer, but it turned out to be nothing to do with it

Some thought we would be getting dancer due to misinterpreting Lyse's dress and kata as the garb and movements of a dancer. A lot of people were actively pointing that out as wrong.

and in Shadowbringers we thought we were literally becoming the Warrior of Darkness and going down the dark/corrupted path yet nothing of the sort happened.

We did become the Warrior of Darkness fighting to take back the night from the forces of light. The assumption of a evil/corrupt path was where those speculating went wrong.

Enix like to go out of their way to avoid the popular assumptions and "surprise" us with something different. For the healer they even went out of their way to create an entirely new class with a completely unique weapon.

Sage is hardly a new class (the name originated in FFIII as the final and most powerful caster job) and the Nuoliths are not really original nor unique being based on a reoccurring weapon system in Japanese fantasy and sci-fi media (the Gundam meta series' bits/funnels/dragoons/fangs have existed since 1979).

I'm almost certain it won't be Reaper or Necromancer. It will be something no one expected. Possibly even another entirely new class unique to FF14.

With the shirt reveal they played up and into the Dark Knight and Necromancer speculation. It comes off, along with them pointing out the irregularity of the Maiming gear and the unknown job being a melee dps, more as an attempt to point the player base in a specific direction rather than truly obfuscate.

[Shougun]

The end boss of e12 was speculated to almost certainly be Ultimecia and many were convinced the 4th healer would be Chemist, with strong "hints" for both ingame. In Stormblood we thought we were getting dancer, but it turned out to be nothing to do with it and in Shadowbringers we thought we were literally becoming the Warrior of Darkness and going down the dark/corrupted path yet nothing of the sort happened.

Enix like to go out of their way to avoid the popular assumptions and "surprise" us with something different. For the healer they even went out of their way to create an entirely new class with a completely unique weapon.
I'm almost certain it won't be Reaper or Necromancer. It will be something no one expected. Possibly even another entirely new class unique to FF14.

I think this would be the most likely reason why it might not be a reaper, not some of the other reasons which seem like trying to find reasons why they don't want it to be one lol.

That said, Scarlet Witch = Red Mage was pretty on the nose wasn't it?

What about Bugs Bunny = Viera?

Those were massively obvious, wouldn't you say? Then we've Spiderman = Samurai which was a bit less obvious, for some, at the time (I was one of the bamboozled ones lol).

So yeah... could be.. but also.. yeah.. might not be lol. Yoshida has done us both ways, I did want to agree with you but I also wanted to be sure to throw a spanner in that just to make sure that it was stated the logic has gone entirely both ways (massively obvious, and then not so obvious). The only way I think I'd be like "seriously? That's lame" is if the shirt means either nothing or means something massively irrelevant and unimportant. For example announcing some minor enemy for the expansion = "...kay".

I still think while it might be reaper related that they wouldn't just call it something so... ... well like reaper. Should look into substitute names, and or other cultures like Japanese (for Doma), Middle Eastern / Indian (for Thavnarian), etc. While I had fun thinking of ways Necro like job might exist I never thought it'd be a necro (but might have some inspiration from the job since it was decently well polled a few times, surprisingly for a FF game). It's also why I thought (after Rymi's suggestion) we might get Ranjit inspiration since that character received, imo, abnormal attention to detail in terms of their abilities and also happens to fit a lot of boxes that we are sort of leaning to tick (dark, scythe, maiming armor, magic + melee, the eastern influence similar to the area we're going to be visiting, etc).

Also I want to say in my defense... the weapon type Sage uses I suggested similar concepts a few times in the forums; although, they weren't for healer lol. One was for Geomancer and one was inspired by Noctis (they were crystal weapons that looked like pylons, in my mind). Obviously not trying to take credit cause they also look like Gundam funnels and or some other characters. Just.. it was a suggestion in the forums too XD. (I've hoped SE goes for entirely weird weapons because I think they'd be quite neat over the 8th sword or another variant of an axe or something).

Assuming they're going as wild as Sage in concepts I'm pretty excited (not a healer main but it looks fun to play anyways, will certainly try it), I still really hope the dark imagery maintains for the job but I'm not certain it's really anything at the moment. Although I did really enjoy the whole psychopomp discussion and how it may relate into our relationship with Emet as Hades. Kind of hope it's true.

[Hank_Hotspur]

I was kind of disappointed by everyone jumping on the "Apothecary is a future job!" bandwagon from 5.3, particularly because it was addressing a story beat from 5.2 and people's reactions were the opposite of what was intended. Recall that 5.2 ended with everyone having a sudden drive to go out into The First and become "Warriors of Light" like Ardbert and his friends (this was later revealed to fuel Elidibus plan) and there was a fear that with everyone rushing out to play hero adventurer, there would be nobody around to actually make The First livable again. The First needed carpenters, doctors, merchants, guards, craftsmen, farmers, etc. much more than it needed "Warriors of Light" as we knew them. This was also the crux of 5.1 story in Eulmore, about how to get the Talos industry up and running again to help mend fences between settlements and literally mend places now the threat of certain extinction was over. 5.2 ends with a sort of bittersweet moment of our character wishing well a Hyur/Hume and Roegadyn/Galdjent on their path to becoming Warriors of Light but with the absence of two competent members of the Crystarium Guard being a concern.

Come 5.3, before Elidbus' final plot kicks off, we have a nice little arc with a Miqo'te/Mystel girl who wants to be a Warrior of Light but unlike the others we've seen, she doesn't want to run around as a fighting adventurer but as a traveling apothecary to treat the sick and tend the wounded. It was a relief for the scions and those worried about fixing the state of the world that there are people out there who will be Warriors of Light in many different ways, not just adventurers. Everyone jumped on this and thought about what combat abilities you could get from this role really seemed like they missed the point.

In short, cat girl was basically a lesson in "Disciples of the Land/Hand are Warriors of Light too" and people got too wrapped up thinking of a future combat job to understand it was completely the opposite of what they were reading in to.

[Juzjuzz]

I wonder if linking YoshiP's shirt with koji fox's shirt could be a good idea.
Why linking the shirts ? " Neighborhood "/"nbhd" made me want to look at everything next to yoship lol

If you link koji fox's shirt (drg at the top of a tower) with YoshiP's shirt, it looks like the Reaper is talking to the drg. The 2 are in a red background.
"The filth and the fury" makes me think of Halone and the heretics from HW : maybe the drg is going to war ? We all know what happens to dragoons when they fight lol
And then the reaper (who seems to look upwards) says "i'll be here if you need me" to the drg. Since reapers are psychopomps that could mean "i'll be here to escort your soul to the afterlife".
"Necromancer? What's a necromancer?" Someone who uses the dead in ff14. The one in Heroes gauntlet just picks up dead ppl and controls them to make them explode. In the bozja 24 man there's necromancer using Ghosts as well if i'm not mistaken. Psychopomps are reponsible to escort dead souls in the afterlife, so they could be the natural ennemy of necromancers.
So the key might be "psychopomp" and not just reaper, because reapers are not just psychopomps.
That way of finding that might be weird and stupid but... Idk it makes sense to me xD.

For sage the hint was: "throwing something at other ppl to heal them" and we ended up with a v Gundam lol.
If Gundam was the reference for sage, what if they did the same with the new mele ? I thought about shaman king (because the mc and other characters are psychopomps fighting at mele) but it can be anything with that theme tbh.

[Seraphor]

I was kind of disappointed by everyone jumping on the "Apothecary is a future job!" bandwagon from 5.3, particularly because it was addressing a story beat from 5.2 and people's reactions were the opposite of what was intended. Recall that 5.2 ended with everyone having a sudden drive to go out into The First and become "Warriors of Light" like Ardbert and his friends (this was later revealed to fuel Elidibus plan) and there was a fear that with everyone rushing out to play hero adventurer, there would be nobody around to actually make The First livable again. The First needed carpenters, doctors, merchants, guards, craftsmen, farmers, etc. much more than it needed "Warriors of Light" as we knew them. This was also the crux of 5.1 story in Eulmore, about how to get the Talos industry up and running again to help mend fences between settlements and literally mend places now the threat of certain extinction was over. 5.2 ends with a sort of bittersweet moment of our character wishing well a Hyur/Hume and Roegadyn/Galdjent on their path to becoming Warriors of Light but with the absence of two competent members of the Crystarium Guard being a concern.

Come 5.3, before Elidbus' final plot kicks off, we have a nice little arc with a Miqo'te/Mystel girl who wants to be a Warrior of Light but unlike the others we've seen, she doesn't want to run around as a fighting adventurer but as a traveling apothecary to treat the sick and tend the wounded. It was a relief for the scions and those worried about fixing the state of the world that there are people out there who will be Warriors of Light in many different ways, not just adventurers. Everyone jumped on this and thought about what combat abilities you could get from this role really seemed like they missed the point.

In short, cat girl was basically a lesson in "Disciples of the Land/Hand are Warriors of Light too" and people got too wrapped up thinking of a future combat job to understand it was completely the opposite of what they were reading in to.

Thing is, they outright told us there was a hint at one of the next jobs in patch 5.3.

In hindsight, is there anything in there that hints at Sage?

If not... could we in fact be getting Mystic Knight or Rune Knight, using SoS as the 'hint'?
(I'm still writing off anything portrayed in Heroes Gauntlet.)

The end boss of e12 was Artemisia/Ultimecia just not in a form we were expecting. Eden's Promise is based on a statue of Artemis and Oracle of Darkness uses many abilities that originated in FFVIII's final boss battle with Ultimecia.

The model is also based around the 'skeleton' of Ultimecia's final form, and uses many of the same animations.

Chemist was for the most part the result of a red herring that concealed that the actual job hint in 5.3 was in the G-Warrior fight.

I never considered G-Warrior as a hint for Sage... and I still think it's a pretty tenuous link tbf, Sage isn't a magitek job, it uses magic and aether, the Nouliths aren't actual guns.

[OvernightSiren]

I think it'll be Beastmaster.

I don't think the t-shirt was hinting towards the job, but rather just hinting towards the WEAPON that the job uses.

That being said, the t-shirt had a grim reaper. The grim reaper is depicted with a scythe.

This would mean the new job is a scythe-wielding job. Who used a scythe? Ranjiit. What FF job is most similar to Ranjiit? Beastmaster