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  1. #51
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    Vickii's Avatar
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    Elise Marie
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer View Post
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    Good points . I do understand the glamour can be a struggle for many... honestly I don’t tend to worry about glamours for jobs I don’t really use, or I have the one glamour for them. So personally I have space to keep an extra relic or item that I might have use for at some point. But I understand it is quite a limiting amount even with one glamour for each job.

    I would love a tackle box. Essentially my saddlebag is the tackle box.. but I’m starting to wonder why bait is even an item like it is.. just make it so you can select it from the hotbar would be nice. Might be worth them revising it and seeing if we actually do need all these different ones too.

    I know about the extra retainers and I wouldn’t mind paying for them but it’s only now and again I’d need them. I guess when people pay real money for them they are unlikely to raise it in game.
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  2. #52
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    Packetdancer's Avatar
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    Khit Amariyo
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    Leviathan
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroka View Post
    Also the glamour dresser is filled even faster when you keep at least, head-chest-arms-legs-shoes of some sets. Also it would help if you could ignore jobs when glamouring accessory, at least for stuff like lakshmi or raids where usually all jobs got the same design anyways.
    Yeah, this does NOT help the situation. If there's an earring design I like, and I may want to use it in glams for several different jobs, I have to keep at best Fending, Slaying, Aiming, Casting, Healing to have complete freedom to use it. In some cases folks might need to keep Maiming, Striking, and Scouting variants instead of just 'Slaying'. Even when all those earring variants are identical.

    The Ronkan accessories are offenders here for me, personally. The necklace in particular is striking and surprisingly versatile for use in glams! But despite it looking identical for every job, I must keep each individual variant if I want to be able to use it for glam for all jobs. Which means I need to use up five glamour dresser slots for that necklace (as it at least has a Slaying variant for all melee jobs), instead of one. I like the ring as well, so hey, that's another five dresser spaces down...

    *stares into the camera, a'la the Office*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer
    The healer main's struggle for pants is both real, and unending. Be strong, sister. #GiveUsMorePants2k20 #HealersNotRevealers #RandomOtherSleepDeprivedHashtagsHere
    I aim to make my posts engaging and entertaining, even when you might not agree with me. And failing that, I'll just be very, VERY wordy.

  3. #53
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    Old primals, old alliance raids, and all full party raids, though; those tokens are not meant to be hoarded. Get what you need and then spend the tokens. When the content becomes obsolete, toss the tokens. Nothing special needs to be done for these.
    If we're talking about devs going back and literally removing the tokens (and thus altering how/where to buy the things they were used for), all for it. More uses for Poetics can't be all bad. Lots more incentive to do older content that drops Poetics.

    But putting it on the players. Eh. I mean, I get it. But, "obsolete" happens differently for everyone. If you've only bought base game, Alex raids are your endgame. Technically not obsolete, are they?

    Regardless, I'd propose there's fat to be trimmed on all sides here. Players need to stop hoarding, sure, but wouldn't hurt for devs to assess what item data could stand to be condensed.
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  4. #54
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Old primal tokens should be used for pity buy mounts or buying glam, turn-ins, or desynth. They really aren't meant to be hoarded forever, plus they lose value over time. Old raid tokens, savage books, etc as well. You aren't running things like Ivalice or Nier raids or Twintania Extreme everyday for two years. There isn't an unlimited currency capacity either, so why waste it on things that are just used for little bits of time. No reason to allocate always-follow server resources to this.

    Beast tribes is always 3x per expansion so they allocated to handle this. It's usually ran daily because of it's leveling system. Generally they also build up what you can buy throughout the expansion.
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  5. #55
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasrat View Post
    But putting it on the players. Eh. I mean, I get it. But, "obsolete" happens differently for everyone. If you've only bought base game, Alex raids are your endgame. Technically not obsolete, are they?
    You're only reinforcing my point there. If Alexander is their endgame, not only should they be spending the tokens as soon as they can afford the gear they want, but they also don't have further expansion raid tokens to worry about.
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  6. #56
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Old primal tokens should be used for pity buy mounts or buying glam, turn-ins, or desynth. They really aren't meant to be hoarded forever, plus they lose value over time. Old raid tokens, savage books, etc as well. You aren't running things like Ivalice or Nier raids or Twintania Extreme everyday for two years. There isn't an unlimited currency capacity either, so why waste it on things that are just used for little bits of time. No reason to allocate always-follow server resources to this.

    Beast tribes is always 3x per expansion so they allocated to handle this. It's usually ran daily because of it's leveling system. Generally they also build up what you can buy throughout the expansion.
    They could also just do it for the current expansion and then have a 'turn in for clusters' option in 5.58-6.01 like they do every time they rotate tomestones.
    That's 7 slots free'd up, and you no longer keep old expansions totems at all because they're useless, instead the drop rate for the mount is increased and unsyncing means you can spa it enough to get either weapons or the mount very quickly.
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  7. #57
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Along with old primal totems they could also stand to cut old alliance raid coins. Every time I get a Mhachi Farthing (or whatever) I just pitch it.
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  8. #58
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 90
    They could streamline things even more by getting rid of one ring slot, and doubling the stats on rings. They could also get rid of the soul stone slots by removing classes and coming up with new lore expanding on how the jobs are now commonplace, rewording quests as needed. And, I still would prefer they do something like remove half the character slots per account, and in exchange give +1 free retainer per expansion. Maybe make it an opt-in thing, but there's certainly room to reduce their disk space budget.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Along with old primal totems they could also stand to cut old alliance raid coins. Every time I get a Mhachi Farthing (or whatever) I just pitch it.
    Better yet, remove every old raid token as each new expansion rolls in and replace them with a universal one just like they do with tomestones.
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  9. #59
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    Liam Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    And what MMOs out there give us more total inventory than FFXIV does?

    Haven't played WoW since Legion but back then we maxed out at 476 inventory slots (that's including the reagent bank tab) assuming we were using all 30 slot bags.

    Here we've got 560 general use slots plus an additional 820 restricted slots for gear.

    We are absolutely the problem because we want to keep hoarding things we aren't using. Players need to learn to manage inventory better.
    There are several differences in WoW.

    -Alts are free and you can mail between them. That technically grants you thousands of free bag slots, especially with an alt guild bank.
    -As far as I know bags are 32 slot now with one unique 34 slot.
    -The glamour tab is unlimited.
    -There is a further 160 Void Storage slots.
    -There aren't things like primal totems and raid books. Gear or mounts simply drop or you use currency in the currency tab.
    -Fishing is different and doesn't require a range of bait on hand for multiple big fish windows.
    -Crafting is significantly different. Older recipes and materials are largely worthless at max level while many lower level crafts can be relevant here. Many old ores, ingots, cloths, ect are used in higher level crafts or may find use in the next expansion. Endwalker will almost certainly add several hundred more materials.
    -Extra bag slots exist in FF14, so it's not a server strain issue. They're just stuck behind a paywall.

    Please do proper research before blindly accusing players of bad management.

    Personally I don't hold glamour in my bags, I do not keep old totems or raid books. I do not keep ANY material in HQ. I do not keep any materials that can be bought from a vendor, only see use in a few crafts, or are particularly cheap on the MB. I do not keep fish bait. If raw materials are only used in one cloth/ingot/ect, I only keep that cloth/ingot/ect.
    I do like to keep a stock of useful materials, so I can craft anything useful at any point for friends, my house, people I see who need help, going for Blessed tools. This has been very convenient on many occasions. I still need to go and gather things all the time though.
    I had to give up during ShB and purchase a third retainer. I'm managing fine now, but 2 was impacting my game experience. Poor management is nonsense, this is not WoW. We're due a third free retainer.
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    Last edited by Liam_Harper; 02-12-2021 at 11:58 PM.

  10. #60
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    Payadopa Astraya
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    Spriggan
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    Conjurer Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    -Extra bag slots exist in FF14, so it's not a server strain issue. They're just stuck behind a paywall.

    Please do proper research before blindly accusing players of bad management.
    That's the funniest thing to me. Defend it how much you like. But how can you say [server limitations] one moment but allow [every] player to buy up to X(not sure how many) and that somehow doesn't cause an issue?

    I don't care what dev wizardry is at work behind the scenes. Not do I need to. I'm just a player. All I see, though, is that it somehow works for players who pay more. That's all I need to know.
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