Instead of cutting Ultimate from 5.5 why not cut bozja?

[van_arn]

The last few pages are why I find toxic elitists just as insufferable as toxic casuals.

Entire thread is built on a false premise; Square thought they could do both, but they couldn't. Blowing up one doesn't mean we'd get the other, it could've very well ended up with us getting neither.

I'm going to miss watching the world first race for ultimate, and I really don't like the thought of a chunk of the community waiting two years to get content. But, as I said, they thought they could do it and they couldn't.

"Overpromising" (if you could call it that with a crippling global pandemic) is something these devs do so rarely I can't really begrudge them for making a mistake here. Rather, I see this entire thing as a sign that content drops for savage are a bit too few and far between. We have nothing for these players to look forward to until 6.1 now because the content they were slated to get in 5.5 was delayed, and it's likely too late to find a stopgap measure to hold these players over.

Had this decision been made earlier, perhaps they could've thrown in an Unreal-esque Savage difficulty "rerun" trial or raid to give these players something to do in the meantime. It wouldn't be as grand as an Ultimate, but it would at least be something new to farm and potentially prog if they missed it the first time around.

[Payadopa]

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Pretty much. Fortunately, the actual community is really nice.

[BruceBear]

The communication from the developers was just awful, and clearly intended to keep people subbed and not done in good faith. It's been a pretty disappointing expansion in my opinion, even considering the situation they've been under. I wouldn't recommend this game anymore to others.

Those people who want to see the game continue to be successful need to stop sucking up to the development team and allow criticisims to get through. Cracking down on dissent is doing the game a terrible disservice.

[Seraphor]

What exactly did they gain by not announcing the delay to Ultimate sooner?

Are you saying that people who want to do Ultimate won't want to do Savage anyway?

From what I've seen, Ultimate players have rushed through Savage in order to get it done and everyone geared before Ultimate was due to drop in 5.5, In which case... they've ended up saving time and now can sub for less time...

[WoW]

You probably didn't even play in the days or Gordias or Midas either, so let's give you a little refresher on how it was back then

Bold of you to assume that. No one knows about those days more than I do, believe me. Legacy player here. Those were the days when raiding was at its peak! Faust would strike fear into the hearts of people more than any door bosses we keep getting in these expansions. And don't get me started on living liquid and Brute Justice. I've had tremendous fun in those fights. The game truly went heavensward that time. So its time to make it great again!

[OvernightSiren]

Because Bozja has story to it and relic progression, things that are enjoyed by a larger number of players than Ultimate.

I say this as someone who hates Bozja with a passion, but it's just more accessible content. This thread is dumb.

[LyraleiManagem]

What exactly did they gain by not announcing the delay to Ultimate sooner?

Subs and active players.
If they announced no ultimate earlier, some won’t do savage, some would stop playing after they got their week 1/ week 2 clear, some wont bother to create an alt to do split runs for gear.

Even if YoshiP didnt announce the “delay” in good intention, for a no small number of players it’s still a lot or time/energy and some money wasted.

(my 3-month sub auto-renewed just a few days before LL. not saying $90+ is a lot of money but i could’ve found better way to spend it )

[Jirah]

i wouldnt mind,the grind is less party dependent but the required mandatory instance that unlocks the other instance is very crappy in terms of game design

relics are leisure grinds not forced party crap, bozja just like erueka shouldnt have pasted a relic on it, and this isnt even a fun grind backtracking thru old content isnt creative and doing it so many times is a massive joke and makes me question what was the point of bozja if the end result was just to spam old crap. the whole thing is inorganic and in some ways worse than erueka

[Floortank]

The players who do Ultimate is like 1% of the total playerbase. A small % of players beat E8S last tier.

There's no way content like Ultimate makes sense on a budgeting spreadsheet. Of course it got cut.

Stop acting like you were robbed at gunpoint and start considering that you're lucky you get the content you get when you represent the teeniest tiniest number of players.

[SoloWingMetatron]

The players who do Ultimate is like 1% of the total playerbase. A small % of players beat E8S last tier.

There's no way content like Ultimate makes sense on a budgeting spreadsheet. Of course it got cut.

Stop acting like you were robbed at gunpoint and start considering that you're lucky you get the content you get when you represent the teeniest tiniest number of players.

This just shines a light on the fact an average human only truly cares about themselves and what affects them personally for the most part. I feel for those who were looking forward to the next Ultimate. But to dismiss other content that they happen to not have interest in is simply selfish. It is a fact that the number of players who actually prog Ultimates are a very small percent of the total player base. Any dev with any common sense would always cut the Ultimate if it came down to making a choice.