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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadare View Post
    It seems weird that the winner of the contest and arguably the most popular hairstyle of the bunch is locked behind a system of just sheer luck for content that takes on average 40 minutes per run if you have a good group.
    Seems like people are forgetting Gyr Abanian Plait. (HoH in which you had to run Silver shack floors and pray for the chest to give you the action needed to reveal accursed horde shacks and then pray that you could get the hair to drop from these RNG shacks. Yes, I've opened countless Silver Shacks over the years, and I've never seen Gyr Abanian Plait drop)

    They treat hair as an incentive to run content, as a reward, and they have never been against locking it behind grindy RNG. The reason this hair is likely 20mil on the MB right now is because most people are so far behind in Bozja that they can't even do DR and have to catch up now that the devs have made it clear they're not going to give you the shiny for just doing brain-dead non Bozja content.

    Prices will go down when more people start doing DR.
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    It was reading this thread that I learned there's even a mount that drops.
    The rates are beyond abyssmal, they're inexcusable.

    Quote Originally Posted by reivaxe View Post
    Seems like people are forgetting Gyr Abanian Plait. (HoH in which you had to run Silver shack floors and pray for the chest to give you the action needed to reveal accursed horde shacks and then pray that you could get the hair to drop from these RNG shacks. Yes, I've opened countless Silver Shacks over the years, and I've never seen Gyr Abanian Plait drop)

    They treat hair as an incentive to run content, as a reward, and they have never been against locking it behind grindy RNG. The reason this hair is likely 20mil on the MB right now is because most people are so far behind in Bozja that they can't even do DR and have to catch up now that the devs have made it clear they're not going to give you the shiny for just doing brain-dead non Bozja content.
    HoH was better designed as alternative leveling than bozja. All you had to do was clear PotD up to what, floor 50? 100?
    Then once you're in, just kill enough mobs to open the gate to the next floor. No large open areas to explore, no FATEs to farm, just "kill, move on, kill, move on" til you cleared 10 floors and beat the boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere View Post
    HoH was better designed as alternative leveling than bozja..
    No, it's not.

    HoH and PoTD makes you want to blow your brains out, things die too fast for you to learn your rotation, there's nothing "fun" about it and the boss fights are brain-dead.

    It's only better if you want to rot your brain as you slap paper mobs and not explore a zone with lore and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reivaxe View Post
    No, it's not.

    HoH and PoTD makes you want to blow your brains out, things die too fast for you to learn your rotation, there's nothing "fun" about it and the boss fights are brain-dead.

    It's only better if you want to rot your brain as you slap paper mobs and not explore a zone with lore and such.
    Outside of CEs and a couple select Fate bosses, leveling through Bozja is just as mindless, as most Fate grinds tend to be. I enjoy Bozja more than POTD and HoH though in almost every aspect, including leveling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reivaxe View Post
    No, it's not.

    HoH and PoTD makes you want to blow your brains out, things die too fast for you to learn your rotation, there's nothing "fun" about it and the boss fights are brain-dead.

    It's only better if you want to rot your brain as you slap paper mobs and not explore a zone with lore and such.
    That's your opinion, and that's fine.
    But I don't find myself, quote, wanting to blow my brains out, when i do PotD/HoH.

    If I wanted to learn my rotation, I would do to a striking dummy. Much better as far as developing muscle memory goes.
    Also you contradict yourself a bit there? "It's not a better method to level because things die too fast." ???? So taking less time in PotD/HoH to level makes it worse than Bozja?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere View Post
    Also you contradict yourself a bit there? "It's not a better method to level because things die too fast." ???? So taking less time in PotD/HoH to level makes it worse than Bozja?
    The fastest way to get enough tomestones back in the day for the HW relic was to do Aetherochemical facility nearly 100x.

    Just because something is more efficient or takes less time doesn't mean its more enjoyable. I'd agree with their opinion in saying Bozja is infinitely more enjoyable than PoTD/HoH due to how boring they are compared to Bozja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Outside of CEs and a couple select Fate bosses, leveling through Bozja is just as mindless, as most Fate grinds tend to be. I enjoy Bozja more than POTD and HoH though in almost every aspect, including leveling.
    Nah, you get to actually learn your rotation, logos allow for some sweet horizontal progression and there are tons of things to do or work towards if you want to use your brain and time to it's fullest.

    If all you want to do is mindlessly run from fate to fate with drool dripping from your mouth as you ignore logos, the tons of people in chat and everything around you so that you can spam an AOE and get credit that is an OPTION and a choice, but it doesn't mean that the content is mindless or that the leveling process has to be mindless.

    I got everything to 80 through Bozja and never felt bored. But then again, I'm the type of person who will look for people to rez in a CE to work towards the Guardian Angel title, fill out the lore book or try using logos on different things and find out that wow, you can reflect tons of things in fates and CE and even the 2nd boss in CLL.

    It doesn't force you to use the tools to their fullest in the reg zone, but it's a far faaar cry from the likes of PoTD or HoH where everyone runs the same 10 levels until they cry tears of blood.

    Quote Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere View Post
    That's your opinion, and that's fine.
    But I don't find myself, quote, wanting to blow my brains out, when i do PotD/HoH.

    If I wanted to learn my rotation, I would do to a striking dummy. Much better as far as developing muscle memory goes.
    "It's only better if you want to rot your brain as you slap paper mobs"

    Like I said, if you're ok with turning off your brain then "Kill paper mobs, go to portal, repeat" is going to be better if that's all you want to do.

    Also, Bozja gives you your level 80 rotation and HAS striking dummies in there for you to practice on in the base as you're in the zone. So if you want to actually make use of your leveling time to get to know your rotation you can just go in there and in your downtime fight the striking dummy with your full list of lvl80 skills.

    Also you contradict yourself a bit there? "It's not a better method to level because things die too fast." ???? So taking less time in PotD/HoH to level makes it worse than Bozja?
    I don't think you understand.
    "Things die too fast" means that you can't use your proper rotation because they're just fodder.

    The AMOUNT of EXP you get from fates and CEs is insanely good for the amount of time invested because it was designed to be the PoTD/ HoH of ShB. Given that it's a fate system instead of floors you can find yourself getting levels far faster than you would in HoH if you "use your brain" and employ fate credit tricks to optimize your time (Like fates that require you to collect items and hand them in. Collect 6 and it will give you gold credit ... so just turn in 6 and run to another fate as everyone does their turn ins. But of course this is RNG as you can't know when every fate will pop and people can bet it before you get there. Over all Bozja has the same level growth rate as HoH on arvg)

    It's all personal taste. I find lore, new content and getting to actually practice my rotation as I level a job to be a much more pleasing and engaging time than the likes of HoH and PoTD which only become engaging at the hard levels or in solo runs.
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    Last edited by reivaxe; 02-11-2021 at 06:19 PM.