For WoW refugees. What was not announced?

[Jijifli]

Never played WoW so i dont get why people are making a scene in here.
Remember this is the Final Fantasy XIV Forum.

Yes. It is.

So why was OP trying to make the start uberflex for "wow refugee's"? As pointed out in literally the first response, the poster came off as someone who has to have the "This is why it's better than WoW" feel to enjoy what was announced, rather than enjoying it because of what it is on its own.

Dark Iron Dwarf?!?!? Furry fox guys!?!?? Little Elf from Legion content?!?!? All required you to grind rep on one character you may never have intended to ever play just to play what you actually wanted

Sage is a new race? Because that's what you were exampling, and what they were responding to.

For someone who wants to rip on another game's butt so much you're not very consistent, are you?

Also, those races don't require rep anymore. And even when they did the rep was not hard. I did it when it had the rep requirements, it didn't take me that long, it didn't feel 'grindy' to get them.

[linayar]

Dark Iron Dwarf?!?!? Furry fox guys!?!?? Little Elf from Legion content?!?!? All required you to grind rep on one character you may never have intended to ever play just to play what you actually wanted and it turns out faction changes are $14 so conveniently saves time. They never required you to grind rep in Burning Crusade to play a Blood Elf. Someone at Blizzard realized people would pay for race changes verses rerolling an entirely new character just to play what they wanted to in the first place.

The Allied Race content in WoW is a poor rip off of FF14 from Blizzard trying to apply thing from this MMO to theirs and not understanding the barriers to entry it creates because to do a different class in WoW you literally need to roll a new character not just click a button and switch.

Sage is a FFXIV job, so I assumed you would be talking about classes in WoW, not allied races. I also do not see what is it a rip off of from FFXIV, unless you just mean the new job requirement, which as I've said, already exists as hero class requirement in WoW since 2008 with Death Knight.

But yes, allied race unlock requirement is not something I would like in FFXIV and it's not even lore-appropriate in WoW.

That said, they have removed all reputation requirement. You just need to do the quest requirements, so it's easier/faster to unlock, but it's still bad as far as I'm concerned.

[Takamorisan]

snip.

And those are issues that are pertinent to WoW, you can make a point without being disgruntled over the previous game. You sound like the game owe something to you and you are not actually enjoying FFXIV, just playing out of spite.

[Vahlnir]

Many ex-WoW players seem to act like someone who got out of a relationship that went bad and doesn't want to admit they're not over it, so won't shut up about how over it they are and how much better their lives are now.

Just. Move. On.

Yes they're trying to complete but giving them attention won't magically hurt them. No bad publicity and all that. It's not as if they're going to grab players in Limsa and shove them into vans that take then to WoW if we're not watching them every second.

I'm a former WoW player but I was fed up of not being able to play other MMOs without people going on about how bad WoW was back in 2008.

Just give it a rest, already.

Yeah. I play WoW, and have played it pretty regularly since 2009. Over the last few years, in no small part thanks to the design decisions, I find myself spending more and more time away from it. For the first time ever I bowed out of a new expansion not even 2 weeks in (Shadowlands). I'm still a bit salty, but I don't spend most of my time trashing it. I'm just...playing other games and enjoying them instead. It's better that way. I have considered moving on from WoW entirely though, and it may happen with time. But there's no real point in getting upset about something as trivial as this that I can't control. This game gives me what I want in most of the right places. That's good enough for me.

[Puremallace]

Sage is a FFXIV job, so I assumed you would be talking about classes in WoW, not allied races. I also do not see what is it a rip off of from FFXIV, unless you just mean the new job requirement, which as I've said, already exists as hero class requirement in WoW since 2008 with Death Knight.

Sorry I got the race/job thing mixed up. I was trying to get a point across that literally noone considers is an actual problem until you try to do it. My guess is Blizzard justifies it by the rush of Blood Elfs they saw during Burning Crusade and the race changes are just an extra incentive but they fail to understand the new player experience that Square Enix makes work with the system we have.

I did not expect Sage to starting at lvl 70 either.

[linayar]

I did not expect Sage to starting at lvl 70 either.

You should. It fits the pattern: HW jobs start at 30, SB jobs start at 50, ShB jobs start at 60, now EW jobs will start at 70, and unless they change either the formula or the level range for the expansion after that, 7.0 jobs will start at 80.

[Nayout]

Dark Iron Dwarf?!?!? Furry fox guys!?!?? Little Elf from Legion content?!?!? All required you to grind rep on one character you may never have intended to ever play just to play what you actually wanted and it turns out faction changes are $14 so conveniently saves time. They never required you to grind rep in Burning Crusade to play a Blood Elf. Someone at Blizzard realized people would pay for race changes verses rerolling an entirely new character just to play what they wanted to in the first place.

The Allied Race content in WoW is a poor rip off of FF14 from Blizzard trying to apply thing from this MMO to theirs and not understanding the barriers to entry it creates because to do a different class in WoW you literally need to roll a new character not just click a button and switch.

????????????????
Do you know the difference between classes or races?
Classes is what Wow has not had since Legion, Races are the nonsense that Blizzard announced as a novelty in an expansion and then took almost a year to launch ONE of them.

Classes have NEVER been restricted to anything, to make a DK in LK you had to have a character at level 58 and you had practically no requirements for Monks or Demon Hunters. Here all the classes have a requirement and some are as absurd as having to play the entire base game because of how poorly implemented they were in Heavensward, a mistake they never made again.

Blizzard created a problem with the allied races that everyone complained about and it was complete shit, but here we are not saved with our races when after 2 years we continue to have two incomplete races, with a single sex and that also 90% of helmets are invisible to them.

You must have been in FFXIV for less than 2 years. From what I see, you barely play reviewing your character, do you really think you can speak properly when you are unaware of a lot of problems that we have had here but deliberately ignore? I've been playing Wow since BC and I've been playing FFXIV since Heavensward, I know perfectly well the problems we have in the two games, that you didn't have to do the Diadem, that cute failed experiment that was updated to become another failed experiment in the same damn expansion.

[linayar]

Classes have NEVER been restricted to anything, to make a DK in LK you had to have a character at level 58 and you had practically no requirements for Monks or Demon Hunters.

No requirement for Monk as it starts at level 1, but for both Death Knight and Demon Hunter, there were initial requirements such as having another character leveled up to a certain point in that same realm and having no more than one character of that class in the same realm. I believe the second requirement is gone now in Shadowlands, but I'm not certain about the first one since they start at level 8 after the squish, not 1.

[Jijifli]

I believe the second requirement is gone now in Shadowlands, but I'm not certain about the first one since they start at level 8 after the squish, not 1.

No level requirements anymore.

DK itself had lost that requirement a long time ago.

[NanaWiloh]

And? I think it is helpful for people who are new to Final Fantasy to understand the difference in development styles. It is extremely important for people to get a fundamental overview of how Square Enix is different. That is why I titled this post the way that I did because I PROMISE you anyone who played WoW knows that Blizzard will try and reinvent the wheel since the Ion HazExcuses era started.

They will take the hundreds of hours of work you have put into a system and throw it in the trash or in the case of their last expansion into a literal gear grinder. When Blizzard announced Shadowlands they focused the entire expansion announcement on 5 different systems verses actual content and the results are seriously showing in how many people have unsubbed since launch.

I kept waiting myself to see if Square Enix had learned from Blizzard and they continue to prove they are paying attention. When you have something that works you do not need to throw it in the trash and this allows you to focus on content which has been a major issue over there for multiple years. Here is a difference:

If Blizzard had announced "Island Sanctuaries" they would be locked behind reputation grinds, arbitrary time limits on when new features unlock and all of the Islands would look identical. I do not even need to see the announcement of Island Sanctuaries to know that Square is not going to do that because of the development philosophy of you should be having fun when you log verses feeling like this MMO is a second job.

Also you have to pay attention because Blizzard is on a path they can never get off of without blowing up the MMO and starting over again. So yeah I am watching Square Enix to see if they ever start down that path because I know where it ends no matter how you tweak it.

Ion has serious issues with answering community questions. He has made it clear over the years that he is not fond of player requests.