You're not supposed to stay up all night clicking to buy a fake house in a game..

[Nafreyu]

The housing system needs a review, and I think most importantly, for Ishgard when it does release, that a reverse policy be put in place. First preference goes to those WITHOUT houses, not for those that can transfer straight into.

Afterall, the Firmanent has been been according to story to house the disadvantaged.

Also, Apartments should have the same floor space across the two floors that a cottage has. The advantage a cottage has is a physical address with a front yard to decorate.

It is NOT excusable that the same, or relatively equivalent opportunities are not afforded to all people paying roughly the same in subscription.

in ESO, I have the Erstwhile Sanctuary, an amazingly well designed, huge cave system. And here? a s@$ty one bit undeveloped plot in the goblet as I save money to transfer to my ideal Glade dwelling, should it ever pop up.

[Cylla]

Ishgard going to be a rage feast and I'm hoping when all drama over it spills, maybe then someone will do something about this horrible system.

What I means is: How many of you have put in the effort to doing the Firmanent rebuild?
Now how many of you truly believe your going get your hands on a house when it open?

You'll be fighting those who are lucky, those who are bots, and those who will use loop holes to buy up whole wards, leaving you still homeless.
For those of us who work, know that we aren't getting anything because it'll all be gone by the time we're home.

Now, how does it feel to have put all that effort in and get nothing from it?

I know that I won't be getting a house because I'll be just leaving work when the patch drops if there no delay in maintenance.

More on the topic though: It true that we aren't suppose to risk our health, skip meals, etc for a game. For someone like me that doesn't have time or the will to deal with actual end game content, housing is like my end game. It sucks that something so simple (or should be anyway since it causal content) isn't made easy to get. The timer does nothing. People are still selling houses for 20x more then the plot price. People are still buying up whole wards because they found a loop hole in the system and have real money to burn, and RMT is still just as present as ever. It hurting honest players, that all it doing. It benefiting the bots, the macro users, the people who just have nothing better to do other then sit 20+ hours at their keyboard clicking, etc. I've learned though that getting a house isn't worth dealing with the let down and frustration. Nor sitting hours on end at a sign just to be beat out by said cheaters.

In the long run, SE at this point seems to not care about it honest players. However, it would take us honest players who do care about housing and don't defend the current system protest in another way. They don't pay no mind to the housing forums, so what else is there to do other then just to deal with?

[Caitsithhh]

Indeed, SE don't care: if I'm not mistaken houses are destroyed when a player stop paying the subscription. So, by encouraging this crappy system instead of giving everyone a real house (not just an appartment), it forces players to keep paying in order to keep their houses. Quite profitable for SE.

As for the bots issue, well... like gils sellers, nothing will really change.

I also agree about the fact that everyone deserves a house for the simple reason everyone pay the same subscription, meaning we should have access to the same content.
But it's wasted effort to think this will change.

Pretty much do have access to housing be that of Apartments or Houses itself. And ffs we do have instanced housing already ppl. Try harder to get an actual house or be happy with the “already implemented” instanced housing. Paying a sub doesn’t automatically just throw everyone every single item or title/etc...ITS ALL EARNED!!! Crazy right? Acquiring something you believe you’re entitled to freely for no effort doesn’t come with a sub. Brace yourself single children that were never told no; YOU as a player are required to earn everything in this game and there’s limited supplies for something highly sought after. You might not get it the way you want it but it’s all there. Work hard and stop stomping your feet already. Venting daily on the forums when there’s already a form of housing for everyone is actually insane. Not the system. There’s Ofc gonna be added wards but waiting does come free with a sub and it’s about the only thing you’re actually entitled to for no effort. Imagine still caring about this.

[Xelanar]

The issue with instanced housing is how restricting apartments are. Now if we had the option to buy an instance of a mansion or a medium house, I would completely agree.
However Square Enix is treating housing as something prestigious - which it should not be.

There would be far less issues if:
- Medium or large houses could be built on EVERY plot if the owner has enough gil to afford an upgrade.
- There was an option for purchasing Instaces for small, medium and large houses. Not ideal since there is still the garden missing, so optimally this would not only be an instance for interior, but an instance of a small portion of a ward, including a garden as well.

Of course I like the idea of an actual neighbourhood more. However I would still prefer the above, compared to what we currently have.

[Jojoya]

What's more depressing is that some of your fellow players don't think that housing is a right just because you're paying sub.. while sitting lavishly in their house. It's a bit wild to me.

Nothing in this game is a "right". You're given access to the servers. It's up to you to play the game for a chance to get the rewards you want.

Housing is not denied to you. Whether you like them or not, apartments ARE housing and there's nothing stopping you from getting an apartment right now if you want housing that badly.

What is limited in quantity are house plots. You have a chance to obtain one. You are not guaranteed one.

Most of us who have houses now also spent long periods of time without one, waiting for a chance to occur where we finally got lucky. We put in the effort. We got lucky.

Not our fault you're just now deciding you want to get a house after playing for at least 6 years. Not our fault the number of houses in the game is less than the number of players who want a house.

[deeto]

If housing is an exclusive content, then make it so. Increase the price, make it fair. Its scarcity doesn't match its affordability, stop pretending that housing is something attainable for players when there are homeless millionaires out here, fighting against bots all night

[KayRadley]

Just get an apartment.

[Themarvin]

Yet I, and many more still do.
The system is clearly flawed, yet it doesn't stop us from paying our sub.

Do the developers still care? This is one of the many issues that must be answered on February 5th.

Either make more wards, to facilitate EVERYONE, or raise prices since yall are so hell-bent on keeping the capitalism model. Or I don't know to make instanced housing, idk computers.

Please fix this.

Couple of my current neighbors got a house plot without having to camp, other places where camped though, add in a system that does not permitting spamming the placecard or as many of these house sitters probably do, using an third party software botting the clicks.

3 Clicks per place card per day, it deals with the botting + you do not have to keep up all night sitting and camping a placecard, and also you can click 3 times a day on multiple plots available, the one who clicks when the timer is up, is getting a house of his or her own, fair and square... no one skips the line and everyone can get a fair night of sleep as you probably want to spand out the 3 clicks over 24 hours per day in real time to keep it better spended.

[EaMett]

Yet I, and many more still do.
The system is clearly flawed, yet it doesn't stop us from paying our sub.

Do the developers still care? This is one of the many issues that must be answered on February 5th.

Either make more wards, to facilitate EVERYONE, or raise prices since yall are so hell-bent on keeping the capitalism model. Or I don't know to make instanced housing, idk computers.

Please fix this.

Camping doesn't really give you much of an advantage over just spending a couple of hours every day. In the long run, you spend roughly as long at the placard to get a house.

People still camp houses because it feels more productive but it really isn't if you do the math. If you're sitting hours and hours at a placard you're basically doing it wrong. You're increasing the odds of someone swooping in and taking it from you and you're also wasting a lot of time compared to other strategies.

[deeto]

Just get an apartment.

No. If you don't plan to contribute to the discourse do something else, go have ERP or something.

What I do get tired of is players like you posting distortions because they're trying to push emotional buttons instead of discussing the issue constructively.

The system might be a bad one but it isn't toxic.

You are being treated equally no matter how much you've convinced yourself you aren't. There is no different ruleset the game has created just for Deeto that no one else has to follow.

What other appeal do I have to speak my mind this isn't democracy I can't vote to change the system.

I mean it's cool that you don't see the problem here so just move on. How many times do I have to reiterate that I, WE, don't ask for special treatment, but CHANGE?

Again, Jojoya, noone came for you, but you inserted yourself in the convo. I mean go ahead I guess.

Couple of my current neighbors got a house plot without having to camp, blablabla

What do you think me and my friends been doing since the demolition started? Are we that dumb to not think of doing these ourselves? And everywhere we go there are bots too.

Camping doesn't really give you much of an advantage over just spending a couple of hours every day. In the long run, you spend roughly as long at the placard to get a house.

People still camp houses because it feels more productive but it really isn't if you do the math. If you're sitting hours and hours at a placard you're basically doing it wrong. You're increasing the odds of someone swooping in and taking it from you and you're also wasting a lot of time compared to other strategies.

Did you address rampant botting in this thought process?

Sadge... there’s equal instanced housing and everyone has an equal chance of getting exclusive housing when it’s available. Player since 2.2 and didn’t get a house til some added this expansion but I didn’t go to the forums everyday and cry, I tried when there were favorable conditions(ie new wards being added).
Your view in equality is fffd my dood. It’s an entitled view of what you want equality to be. Own it.

Hey man, you already won by default if you don't share my concerns. But go on and stomp on me, a homeless peasant, if that makes you happy.