New healer: Sage. Barrier healer.

[Gemina]

This.

People get worked up about the choice of term "pure healer" thinking the thing implied as therefore "not pure" is DPS. But the context of the two types being pure healer and barrier healer clearly indicates that barriers are the thing that makes them not pure healers because they're not just restoring damage that has already been done.

I've literally been saying this for years now. Not in those exact words, but since the term "pure healer" was being thrown around back before we even had Stormblood, I've been saying that it has been taken completely out of context. Even a "regen healer" isn't necessarily accurate as SCH also has moderate HoT ability. However, with the addition of Sage and pure (regen) healer officially being a thing now, this might go away in 6.0.

[EaMett]

I've literally been saying this for years now. Not in those exact words, but since the term "pure healer" was being thrown around back before we even had Stormblood, I've been saying that it has been taken completely out of context. Even a "regen healer" isn't necessarily accurate as SCH also has moderate HoT ability. However, with the addition of Sage and pure (regen) healer officially being a thing now, this might go away in 6.0.

I think the mentions within this thread have more to do with the fact that the "pure healer" is a bit nonsensical when all healers have sufficient HPS. I doubt they would change this in 6.0 given how they've changed healer skills no longer than a few weeks ago.
The entire pure healer vs shield healer concept is broken. You barely need shields to start with.

[Absurdity]

I think the mentions within this thread have more to do with the fact that the "pure healer" is a bit nonsensical when all healers have sufficient HPS. I doubt they would change this in 6.0 given how they've changed healer skills no longer than a few weeks ago.
The entire pure healer vs shield healer concept is broken. You barely need shields to start with.

Last tier our SCH casted exactly 1 prepull adlo and 0 succor on some of our kills.

[EaMett]

Last tier our SCH casted exactly 1 prepull adlo and 0 succor on some of our kills.

Yeah, even this tier (IIRC) shields were optional for the first two floors with week 1 gear, and scarcely needed in 11s. At max ilvl, they are really only useful for 12s and some mechanic cheese uptime strats.

[Karshan]

Last tier our SCH casted exactly 1 prepull adlo and 0 succor on some of our kills.

I agree. Since any comp is supposed to be manageable, Square can't risk that a content is undoable without a shielding healer, hence there is always a way to do it without shields (albeit really top end gameplay is involved).

Imagine having to walk out of an instance cause you can't do it without a scholar. Not really "meta isn't a thing" compliant, wouldn't you agree ?

But maybe that's about to change, I saw on another topic they were differencing the two subroles in healers even in DF, is it true ?

[Absurdity]

But maybe that's about to change, I saw on another topic they were differencing the two subroles in healers even in DF, is it true ?

Not really. They are splitting the healers into regen focused (whm/ast) & barrier focused (sch/sage), this does however not mean that they will change anything about their encounter design, be it normal dungeons/raids or savage.

[ForteNightshade]

But maybe that's about to change, I saw on another topic they were differencing the two subroles in healers even in DF, is it true ?

Yoshida specifically mentioned DF/RF will prioritize pairing "pure healers" with "shield healers". So it sounds like they are looking to make a stronger distinction between the two.

[LadyKairi]

But maybe that's about to change, I saw on another topic they were differencing the two subroles in healers even in DF, is it true ?

Sorry if this has been responded to already (late to the party). I can’t say for the actual encounter design, but the matching for parties it’s true. Koji’s translation was:

“And this will extend into our matching in the raid finders, to make a distinction between barrier healers and pure healers”

[Deceptus]

Sorry if this has been responded to already (late to the party). I can’t say for the actual encounter design, but the matching for parties it’s true. Koji’s translation was:

“And this will extend into our matching in the raid finders, to make a distinction between barrier healers and pure healers”

They wanted to do the same thing with MT/OT and look how well THAT turned out. As always, keeping my expectations low.

They can do that all they want in the DF, but player statics will always choose the optimized jobs.

[Lyth]

They wanted to do the same thing with MT/OT and look how well THAT turned out.

They actually didn't, and abandoned the idea. It would be interesting to see if it gets implemented this coming expansion.