I Hope SE Learned Their Lesson From Eureka And Bozja

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Problem is their English audience has to rely on unofficial translations of those Live Letters and you can find five or six different answers with no official statement for the English audience to go by. I went looking a few days before patch and still couldn't find anything definitive, just various suppositions from different sites. They really need to make sure we get official statements on this sort of thing. Especially because they have seen (or should have unless they're just outright ignoring us) the confusion and questions over the past few months and did nothing to definitively clarify.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...812-06-2020%29

They put up official digest translations of their liveletters in a very official manner. Even in this digest, they reference this:

"The normal version of Delubrum Reginae will be required to complete story quests, and is similar to alliance raids in terms of difficulty."
"Players can upgrade their weapon after completing all 5.45 quests."

Considering the liveletter talks about new story quests in Bozja....it's impossible to interpret it any other way.

Even beyond that, the reddit discord has extremely powerful translators that not only do live translating, but also go back and solidify the translations later to clear up any doubt. bozja's story being required to progress the relic has been telegraphed for literal months now, both in an official and non-official manner. Anyone needing to have information cleared up has both an official source and non-official source both saying the same thing in 95% of cases.

[wereotter]

They did though, literal months ago.

"Your resistance weapon can be upgrade in 5.45, but you need to finish the story including Delubrum Reginae normal
2 upgrade steps and you can customize the substats during the 2nd upgrade" ~ Yoshi-P, 11/27/2020, liveletter from the producer LXI.

The Bozja story includes castrum; they gave extremely advanced warning to go get Castrum done.

I do agree however Bozja should have been the premier choice for advancing the relic.

The problem with this argument is that you knew you had to do it because you did it. If you went off the only translations we get for a lot of this, you could have been left in the dark. We were told the weapon could be completed outside of the exploratory zones, and after we completed the first trial, everything else could be done elsewhere. It caught a lot of people off guard to learn that now they had to get to rank 10 in the exporatory zone and complete 2 24-man raids before they could even start on the next step. It was not telegraphed well, and the translations we recieved gave no indication that you'd still have to advance in the zone even if you did your entire weapon elsewhere.

Additionally, I feel like forcing people to advance the exploratory zone in order complete the weapon runs counter to the concept of the relic, which had previously been something you could work on solo, even just with just an hour a day. Now you have to spend extra time in another zone to do additional content to just get to the quests, and have to do it in a scenario where you're unable to use duty finder to progress. When I'm in game, I don't want to try to type to talk to people. It's inconvenient on PlayStation, and I don't want to be chatty with other players.

So while I do think that the exploratory zone being popular with those who enjoy that kind of content should still be an option for the relic, it shouldn't be mandatory. Giving people options was a very good choice, but it just feels like a betrayal to be told that now you must go do content you didn't enjoy if you want the weapon.

Edit: with regard to your other link, this still wasn't "literally months ago" that post was from December 20, and is one line only that, unfortunately, wasn't broadcast out there the same way as the message of "you can do this outside of Bojza" was. But even if you did catch that, it only gave you a couple weeks to get ready, not months.

[TaleraRistain]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...812-06-2020%29

They put up official digest translations of their liveletters in a very official manner. Even in this digest, they reference this:

"The normal version of Delubrum Reginae will be required to complete story quests, and is similar to alliance raids in terms of difficulty."
"Players can upgrade their weapon after completing all 5.45 quests."

Considering the liveletter talks about new story quests in Bozja....it's impossible to interpret it any other way.

Even beyond that, the reddit discord has extremely powerful translators that not only do live translating, but also go back and solidify the translations later to clear up any doubt. bozja's story being required to progress the relic has been telegraphed for literal months now, both in an official and non-official manner. Anyone needing to have information cleared up has both an official source and non-official source both saying the same thing in 95% of cases.

That only mentions the story, though. That doesn't say anything about the story being required for resistance weapons, like where you linked. The first quest we get outside that zone. That's the problem I think. I definitely saw a lot of confusion where people asked "Is the Bozja story going to be required now?" and similar. The second sentence could be interpreted that you could get your upgrades in Bozja once you finished that story and you wouldn't see them there until you did if you got them in Bozja.

I think if they had used the terminology from your other posts ""Your resistance weapon can be upgrade in 5.45, but you need to finish the story including Delubrum Reginae normal" then that would have cleared up a lot of confusion. People would still be angry, but not feel they hadn't been informed properly on top of the change.

[Vahlnir]

That only mentions the story, though. That doesn't say anything about the story being required for resistance weapons, like where you linked. The first quest we get outside that zone. That's the problem I think. I definitely saw a lot of confusion where people asked "Is the Bozja story going to be required now?" and similar. The second sentence could be interpreted that you could get your upgrades in Bozja once you finished that story and you wouldn't see them there until you did if you got them in Bozja.

I think if they had used the terminology from your other posts ""Your resistance weapon can be upgrade in 5.45, but you need to finish the story including Delubrum Reginae normal" then that would have cleared up a lot of confusion. People would still be angry, but not feel they hadn't been informed properly on top of the change.

Yeah, they weren't very clear. Communication hasn't always been their strong suit though, at least outside of Japan. There are also times when the player base is pretty vocal about wanting something, then when Yoshi P is asked about it he seems genuinely surprised. I think a lot of feedback and requests just don't reach him.

[TurtlesAWD]

I dunno folks, these have the normal "content unlock quest icon" thing going on and the development team prioritizes plot integrity, hence making crystal tower mandatory and all that - is it really so surprising the bozjan resistance weapons created for bozjan resistance fighters in the bozjan warfront would require doing the bozjan story? I'm trying to think of any other content that you can otherwise skip the story quests for and get the items on the other end and I'm coming up blank.

[van_arn]

The problem with this argument is that you knew you had to do it because you did it. If you went off the only translations we get for a lot of this, you could have been left in the dark. We were told the weapon could be completed outside of the exploratory zones, and after we completed the first trial, everything else could be done elsewhere. It caught a lot of people off guard to learn that now they had to get to rank 10 in the exporatory zone and complete 2 24-man raids before they could even start on the next step. It was not telegraphed well, and the translations we recieved gave no indication that you'd still have to advance in the zone even if you did your entire weapon elsewhere.

Additionally, I feel like forcing people to advance the exploratory zone in order complete the weapon runs counter to the concept of the relic, which had previously been something you could work on solo, even just with just an hour a day. Now you have to spend extra time in another zone to do additional content to just get to the quests, and have to do it in a scenario where you're unable to use duty finder to progress. When I'm in game, I don't want to try to type to talk to people. It's inconvenient on PlayStation, and I don't want to be chatty with other players.

So while I do think that the exploratory zone being popular with those who enjoy that kind of content should still be an option for the relic, it shouldn't be mandatory. Giving people options was a very good choice, but it just feels like a betrayal to be told that now you must go do content you didn't enjoy if you want the weapon.

Edit: with regard to your other link, this still wasn't "literally months ago" that post was from December 20, and is one line only that, unfortunately, wasn't broadcast out there the same way as the message of "you can do this outside of Bojza" was. But even if you did catch that, it only gave you a couple weeks to get ready, not months.

Well, you’re a bit behind because you followed some assumptions. You know what’s required now.

You don’t have to do it, anyway.

[Vahlnir]

I dunno folks, these have the normal "content unlock quest icon" thing going on and the development team prioritizes plot integrity, hence making crystal tower mandatory and all that - is it really so surprising the bozjan resistance weapons created for bozjan resistance fighters in the bozjan warfront would require doing the bozjan story? I'm trying to think of any other content that you can otherwise skip the story quests for and get the items on the other end and I'm coming up blank.

It makes perfect sense. They just weren't very clear on the matter beforehand. This caught a lot of people off guard since weapon progress hasn't required Bozja completion until 5.45 outside of the introduction stuff.

[van_arn]

It makes perfect sense. They just weren't very clear on the matter beforehand. This caught a lot of people off guard since weapon progress hasn't required Bozja completion until 5.45 outside of the introduction stuff.

I’ll agree the first steps needed to be a little more soulcrushing to weed some people out at the door, but Square said what they had to say and the forums ran off into the blue yonder with it. That’s hardly square’s problem.

[wereotter]

I dunno folks, these have the normal "content unlock quest icon" thing going on and the development team prioritizes plot integrity, hence making crystal tower mandatory and all that - is it really so surprising the bozjan resistance weapons created for bozjan resistance fighters in the bozjan warfront would require doing the bozjan story? I'm trying to think of any other content that you can otherwise skip the story quests for and get the items on the other end and I'm coming up blank.

The thing here is that the quest for the initial weapon took place outside of the exploratory zone with a trial you had to do, also outside of the zone. So it's fair to assume that, like the Heavensward weapon, the story would be tied to the strengthening of the weapon, but not required to advance the story on the frontlines.

As was stated, it just wasn't well communicated. Yes I'll give you your logic of having to do it, but you also have to see that if you're going off what you were told that you do and don't have to do, then you could have thought it was okay to take a pass on the content. This is especially true for those of us who didn't enjoy the exploratory zone content. You see the announcement you don't have to do it to strengthen your weapon, and so you skip it, only then to be blindsided when you find out this optional content is actually required. (Think Tetra Master in Final Fantasy IX. It was optional the entire game, never telegraphed to be required, then out of no where you have to win first place in the card tournament in Treno to advance the story. This wasn't a problem if you chose to play the card game leading up to that point, but was a major stumbling block for players who did not.)

[Rymi64]

I prefer Bozja/Eureka over the HW method, tbh.

I'll agree that they probably shouldn't have required Castrum and DR, without informing the playerbase prior. But I do think Castrum/DR ought to be the premier methods to advance the relic steps, above to doing LoTA ten minute runs.

They actually did tell us DR would be required in the last LL and the one before that i believe