Better finish Delubrum now because it will dead cotent very soon

[ForteNightshade]

The problem really isn't challenge. The problem with Castrum was that there was absolute no reason to run it after the first time you've cleared it; unless you find losing large amounts of mettle in very little time for no reason entertaining.

Since it's SE I'm guessing they learned nothing from Castrum and this is more of the same; and even the people talking about how great it is to have challenging content won't be running it anymore a few weeks from now, because they're all talk; they like the challenge ONLY because they know that it'll be impossible to clear for everyone who comes in late. They'll have what they wanted, and it'll feel extra special now that they know everyone else is effectively excluded because the content is dead.

This kind of crap is why I really don't like MMOs. Hell, it's why most people don't like MMOs. If that's what this game becomes I have no issue bailing. Normally I wouldn't care too much for 1 piece of endgame content, but them tying the relic to this garbage is really annoying.

Conversely, they'll have ran the content several times and now want to move on. No matter how much some of us may praise a piece of content, there's only so many times you can partake in anything before the novelty starts to wane. If you come in late, that isn't our problem nor does it make the content any less challenging or fun. That's the equivalent of complaining you missed out on all the hype when a new game releases.

As for the OP. I'm not a huge fan of the mettle loss primarily because neither Castrum or DR reward you with any upon completion. I also just dislike that sort of system since it feels like an arbitrary way to stretch out content longevity. Doom, however, is perfectly fine. In fact, I welcome it since I'd otherwise ignore a good chunk of mechanics like I do in Eden's Promise. Speaking of those mechanics, I love them. Seriously. DR is the first Alliance raid we've had since Orbonne that actually felt challenging. And even Orbonne was nowhere near the mess Weeping City once was.

[Goji1639]

Conversely, they'll have ran the content several times and now want to move on. No matter how much some of us may praise a piece of content, there's only so many times you can partake in anything before the novelty starts to wane. If you come in late, that isn't our problem nor does it make the content any less challenging or fun. That's the equivalent of complaining you missed out on all the hype when a new game releases.

You move on because the content isn't fun or rewarding; if it was either of those things people would stick with it beyond a few runs. Look at MSQ; the novelty for that wore off years ago but most players still run it frequently today. There's no risk of those instances dying at any point in this game's future, while DR released yesterday and could very easily be dead as early as next week.

I'm not saying you're obligated to keep running it to help other players get their clears, but there's no reason to lie to yourself. It's not fun or rewarding, and the people pretending it is will stop running it just as fast as the people who are being honest.

[Puremallace]

I come from FFXI where a death cost you exp and enough exp loss cost you levels. So, losing mettle is nothing new for SE. They brought it back in Eureka and not at all surprised it's a thing in Bozja and DR.

I am playing FF14 not 11 and given the population sizes it is clear what American players prefer. Potentially giving up weeks of Mettle gain in Bozdja because I want to try Savage is never going to happen for me atleast. I'll just watch SFIA and them do it and accept I will never do this content on Savage. Fixing these issues is literally as easy as getting rid of the mettle loss upon death.

To fix Castrum just add it to the Main Scenario queue and get rid of this goofy fate approach they have to it. I am not sure why Square Enix can be such geniuses in designing some content then embrace completely failed design decisions that never work in North America. All it tells me is that FF14 is here to bring in revenue and keep the game alive in Japan. I saw it with NCSoft not caring what happened to their North American playerbase as long as the Korean playerbase was happy and this reminds me of that design thinking.

It is completely failed time and time again. I do not have all day to refarm grindy content because of extreme mettle losses in new content. The opinion is clear in this thread and multiple other threads plus in game chatter that people do not like the mettle loss in this content and will avoid it after they see it once. What is sad is if they got rid of the mettle loss I would do this content for fun because I actually like the boss fights.

[Seraphor]

Eureka, and by extension Bozja, were designed to emulate some of the aspects of XI though, so that's a valid point.
This isn't the main game, so it doesn't have to cater to everyone's tastes. Rather it's purpose is to offer an alternative form of content.

Castrum isn't main scenario so I don't see why you'd add it to that. Its nowhere near as long either.

If you don't want to lose mettle, grind to 15 and unlock Savage Delubrum before you attempt any more Castrum or Delubrum.
Once you've hit rank 15 and unlocked Savage your mettle doesn't matter. (unless the last update in 5.55 requires it)

[Novae]

I really enjoyed my first time there and I'll do it pretty often just because it's refreshing and punitive at the same time. I'm so tired of dull content with 0 threat, and I hope SE will add the doom mechanic in their next content.
Also, it's pretty fast to grind the mettle loss back.

[TurtlesAWD]

Mettle isn't experience and I don't really understand why people care when they lose it. Like, OK, it can set you back on a couple other specific things if you're not already 15 with the unlocks done, but you still need memories for your relic right? Sounds like you have an excuse to do some skirmish/CE anyway to get that mettle back.

[TurtlesAWD]

You know it occurs to me that the doom mechanics might be an attempt to get people to bring an essence other than platebringer for once since extra defensive stats doesn't save you, and oh my god all of the sudden I want every boss to have doom.

[xbahax92]

Mettle isn't experience and I don't really understand why people care when they lose it. Like, OK, it can set you back on a couple other specific things if you're not already 15 with the unlocks done, but you still need memories for your relic right? Sounds like you have an excuse to do some skirmish/CE anyway to get that mettle back.

People are already to greedy to pop a dmg/def boosting potion. DR is totally fine imo, its your average Ivalice/Nier raid, just that its new with a doom mechanic tied to it. Play properly and you wont die.

[technole]

Mettle isn't experience and I don't really understand why people care when they lose it. Like, OK, it can set you back on a couple other specific things if you're not already 15 with the unlocks done, but you still need memories for your relic right? Sounds like you have an excuse to do some skirmish/CE anyway to get that mettle back.

Yeah people complaining about meddle loss really don't get it.

It's not even much at level 15, and if you are not going to be doing savage than why do you care if you are level 15 and lost some? People doing savage are going to drop to 0 meddle in a day or so.

Second you should know the mechanics after a run that it should be trivial from that point on. Third, a CE or two puts one back at where they were anyway.

I've done 50 castrum completions and not once complained about meddle loss. Overrated topic for sure.

[Goji1639]

Yeah people complaining about meddle loss really don't get it.

It's not even much at level 15, and if you are not going to be doing savage than why do you care if you are level 15 and lost some? People doing savage are going to drop to 0 meddle in a day or so.

Second you should know the mechanics after a run that it should be trivial from that point on. Third, a CE or two puts one back at where they were anyway.

I've done 50 castrum completions and not once complained about meddle loss. Overrated topic for sure.

This is only a valid point if we know for a fact that they won't be adding more resistance ranks or mettle requirements at ANY point before Bozja and the relic are finished.