You're not supposed to stay up all night clicking to buy a fake house in a game..

[Zelas]

If they want to spend the night camping a placard, that is their choice but they are the ones responsible for making that choice. You don't have to camp a placard to get a house. Plenty of players in recent months, including this past week, managed to get their house without sitting for hours at a placard.

They need to stop blaming others for what they have chosen to do.

The problem isn't that people *want* to spend the night camping a placard to get a house. The problem is that people are being made to spam placards in the first place. What is not okay is that people who really want to access this particular content feel that they *have* to stay up all night spamming a placard, or they likely won't be able to for the foreseeable future. That's the problem.

Yes, it's a conscious choice they make to stay at the placards for hours at a time, but the fact that's their best shot at accessing content they want (and are technically paying for) is the real issue there. Trying to put it on them just because they want it enough to suffer that terrible system isn't helping anyone trying to discuss the actual issue.

[Jojoya]

The problem is that people are being made to spam placards in the first place. What is not okay is that people who really want to access this particular content feel that they *have* to stay up all night spamming a placard, or they likely won't be able to for the foreseeable future. That's the problem.

They are not being made to do it. They could check the placard then walk away if it was not yet available for purchase, do other things then check back later and see if it's available yet.

Instead they are choosing to camp because they feel it improves their chances. Again, their choice to spend their time in game sitting at a placard over spending that time doing roulettes, farming FATEs, ERPing in the Quicksand or whatever else they also want to be doing. Sitting on their butt in front of a monitor or TV screen pushing buttons on a controller/mouse keyboard has the same impact on their health whether they are doing it at a placard, in a dungeon, out in the open world zones or ERP in someone's house.

Their choice to be doing those things in place of engaging in healthier activity. Their choice to act obsessively in an unhealthy fashion over something they do not need, they only want.

What is not okay is them placing the blame on others for what they choose to do. People need to grow up and accept responsibility for their freely made choices.

What is not okay is for people like you to be enablers, trying to make excuses for them so they can avoid responsibility for their choices, to actively encourage them to engage in that behavior by trying to convince others it's the only way to get what they want.

They presumably are adults. They are capable of making adult choices for themselves and accepting responsibility for the choices they make.

If they aren't adults, then their parents or legal guardians need to be stepping in.

The actual issue of people behaving in obsessive fashion is more appropriately discussed in a psychologist's office between the psychologist and the obsessed players who evidently can't make a healthy behavioral choice.

The actual issue in the game is the lack of supply versus player demand for houses. We've got plenty of other threads going on the subject, try joining one of them and leave the "the game made me do it" out of the discussion.

[Themarvin]

Premium small house plot next to my large house in the mist, was never camped, one day some one just moved in with no trouble at all doing such...

Instead of camping whatever plot at some hyped zone... like shirogane... why not move in at the goblet, get a house plot and see if you actually like housing to begin with... it is just around 3million gil for a small plot.... later on when something frees up, pass the queue where it is and then just directly relocate to it.

Don't end up giving people that this costs gil... this is expensive... this is the way, housing is an expensive affair... just deal with it, I see houses pop up everywhere on daily basis now, and I see plots that is never touched.

1. if want a house, make sure to have the gil for it.
2. if want a house, your priority is to get a house ANYWHERE, not some special spot... but anywhere it is possible.
3. if you like housing and want to move up, build up the gil you need, if you want another plot... then start looking for locations you like and daily several times a day check the Residential areas for an opening to relocate to.
4. if am still looking for a house, then Apartments is still an option, and they are offering every a house can do, but no garden as only loss.

[deeto]

1. if want a house, make sure to have the gil for it.
2. if want a house, your priority is to get a house ANYWHERE, not some special spot... but anywhere it is possible.
3. if you like housing and want to move up, build up the gil you need, if you want another plot... then start looking for locations you like and daily several times a day check the Residential areas for an opening to relocate to.
4. if am still looking for a house, then Apartments is still an option, and they are offering every a house can do, but no garden as only loss.

1. I can buy a mansion.
2. Even Goblet plots are camped.
3. See 1 and 2.
4. I don't care for ghetto apartments.. why should I settle for something less when others have more?

How dumb do you think we are to not have thought of those ourselves?

Let me analogize camping placards for you current house-owners..

So camping is a sickness right... and the cure is actually being able to get a plot.
The supply and need for the cure do not meet. And you blame people for wanting the cure.

It's like this lack of empathy that exudes from your posts blaming us placard-spamming peasants.

[deeto]

Also didn't Yoshi-P, way back then, promised separation of FC and personal housing wards? Whatever happened to that?

The unnecessary exclusivity doesn't make sense to me. The plots are way too cheap for their scarcity.

[LianaThorne]

Also didn't Yoshi-P, way back then, promised separation of FC and personal housing wards? Whatever happened to that?

The unnecessary exclusivity doesn't make sense to me. The plots are way too cheap for their scarcity.

Pretty sure it's wrapped up in the "need better server capability" issues, which again aren't cheap and flying to different countries to install new servers isn't an option right now because of the pandemic. So unfortunately anything that requires servers probably won't happen until normalcy returns. They'd, at the very least, need new servers to open more wards.

Also, going to echo chamber everyone else who's saying, everyone is making the choice to camp. No one is forcing anyone to camp or stand for hours at a plot. You can easily poke it a few times and come back in a couple hours to do it again. Most plots don't pop till the 8-10+ hour mark so, it's ultimately pointless to stand there before that. The only person who controls what you do is yourself. A house isn't worth losing sleep over and the only person that makes the decision to stay up all night with a chance of failure is yourself.

[LianaThorne]

The unnecessary exclusivity doesn't make sense to me. The plots are way too cheap for their scarcity.

Also on this sentence in particular, you're aware the majority of people in the game don't even have over 1.5m gil? They're not cheap at all. If you can easily afford a large on your own, then you're not representing the majority of the playerbase. I'm personally in your situation but am aware of how we are incredibly fortunate compared to the majority of others. They don't need to be more expensive, I'm sorry to say because then ultimately wards would sit empty for months unless people resulted to RMT to afford it.

[Themarvin]

1. I can buy a mansion.
2. Even Goblet plots are camped.
3. See 1 and 2.
4. I don't care for ghetto apartments.. why should I settle for something less when others have more?

How dumb do you think we are to not have thought of those ourselves?

Let me analogize camping placards for you current house-owners..

So camping is a sickness right... and the cure is actually being able to get a plot.
The supply and need for the cure do not meet. And you blame people for wanting the cure.

It's like this lack of empathy that exudes from your posts blaming us placard-spamming peasants.

Move to another server then, if the house is so important, that is the thing to do, there is several servers... where vacant house plots is flooding the areas.

Also you are not settling for less having an apartment, that just means you got something, untill you get a house at some point.

[Jojoya]

Also didn't Yoshi-P, way back then, promised separation of FC and personal housing wards? Whatever happened to that?

The unnecessary exclusivity doesn't make sense to me. The plots are way too cheap for their scarcity.

It's common for design plans for games to change as things moving into the actual development phase. Developers come to realize what they planned won't work as intended, will be too costly to produce, etc. and what players get in the game doesn't match what was originally expressed. Right now, player-run farms are a piece of content mentioned at the FanFests that haven't materialized at all outside of a few random comments that minions were somehow related. Abandon, postponed, altered? At this point I doubt they're going to bear any resemblance to what players were expecting based on what was said at the FanFests.

I don't think the housing exclusivity was intended. I believe it's a result of the player base growing faster than SE anticipated while they couldn't keep up with adding new wards to meet the demand. They may have thought the addition of Shirogane would be enough and it was only hindsight that showed it wasn't. They started talking about adding size options to apartments, which would help - many players would be happy with larger apartments that don't demo. They've talked about adding alts as automatic tenants to houses owned by the same account but that won't help. It doesn't create new houses for players who don't yet have one, it just gives homeless alts a place if the account already owns a house.

We're left with the question of what Ishgard housing will be. We know it's coming. It may not be a solution to the problem (though we can hope) but any additional houses will at least ease the problem a little. With luck, they'll have something to say about housing on the 5th either during the Live Letter (which would be good news - that would mean changes coming in 5.5) or the announcements showcase (not so good news - changes more likely to be after the next expansion is released).

Move to another server then, if the house is so important, that is the thing to do, there is several servers... where vacant house plots is flooding the areas.

Also you are not settling for less having an apartment, that just means you got something, untill you get a house at some point.

EU might be lucky enough to have some open houses still. I think NA has filled back up already. Certainly Coeurl did and we're one of the lowest pop NA servers.

Switching regions isn't always a viable option when increased latency can a negative impact on game play, not to mention they will be unable to play with their current friends unless they too decided to pay for the transfer. We have no cross data center play. Perhaps if SE is able to break that barrier and allow it, transferring regions to get a house would be a reasonable option.

[deeto]

Move to another server then, if the house is so important, that is the thing to do, there is several servers... where vacant house plots is flooding the areas.

No. I'm not dropping my life and friends on my server for housing, which I should have the right to.

Also you are not settling for less having an apartment, that just means you got something, untill you get a house at some point.

Do you own housing? Do you see the point of having an apartment? I would be settling less if there's NO POINT in getting an apartment until I am LUCKY ENOUGH to win a house spam competition or get a plot by chance.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that we want equality, not special treatment?