FFXIV Housing System is Unhealthy for its House-less Players (Endgame life?)

[Kenky]

Okay.. Here we go again. *ahem*

1. Nobody is forcing you to pick spamming a placard over sleeping or doing anything more 'productive'. You are willingly taking that path, so cool it with the blame-game.

2. Pay-2-win? really? That's your recommendation? Not to mention publicly commenting on RMT costs (which is enough to get a permanent suspension, by the way!) won't win you any points, especially when not everyone wants to risk losing their entire accounts (which can be up to several years worth of progress) for Gil that is stupidly-easy to get nowadays.

3."Accounts that have never bought a house before shouldn't have the timer" okay, so you just straight-up give bots an instant-win UNO card and you lose any hope of seeing any house. Ever. To the point that the invisible timer is meaningless. Good job! Purely on the fact that botters can instantly make "brand new accounts" faster than any human can. So they will just keep flooding the zones.

3a. Relocating is not going to be turned off. Period. Sure, it could certainly use a cooldown period, since nobody would need to relocate several times a day. But 6 months is a bit steep. Maybe 1 month at most, or 1 week at least, but no price-increase, unless they are upgrading sizes. To penalize people for wanting a more desirable plot is beyond stupid.

4. Housing Activity could be cut down so you have to be active more than once every 45 days, but at the same time, FFXIV encourages taking breaks when things get to a lull. Reducing the inactivity timer would only make people who already log in once a month to reset the timer.. Simply log in more, then log off again.. It wouldn't really fix anything.

Dead Wards will always be a thing, purely because Square Enix has said, several times, that they like the Ward-style and the Neighborhood feeling. If you want wards to actually be deemed 'active' then you need to give players a reason to be active there.

[ItMe]

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Well stated.

[Wrestlefire769]

Okay.. Here we go again. *ahem*

1. Nobody is forcing you to pick spamming a placard over sleeping or doing anything more 'productive'.

You lose the idea when you choose not to understand that it all will circle back to the fact that, if you want the content, you have to basically play THEIR game. This goes back to the likes of FFXI Ground Kings and when you would have bots attempting to invade server-side so the King "pops purple" for you, then you call your group on their phones while you hold it -- and hope the rest of the bots involved don't spam you off the game.

2. Pay-2-win? really? That's your recommendation? Not to mention publicly commenting on RMT costs (which is enough to get a permanent suspension, by the way!)

It's an interesting concept on what you are saying -- it's not, however, that gil is neither inexpensive on the Black Market nor not easy to get legitimately.

It doesn't change the fact that if Square-Enix chooses not to deal with RMT and the like (and I believe that is their choice because, outside of Japan, there is a community, including people in the company, who support RMT and want it to thrive!), the only remaining solution is that the housing becomes RMT and the owner of the content takes the money for themselves.

And take it from someone who's rerolled off being banned at least once on both MMOs: It's not that hard, and it's getting easier.

3."Accounts that have never bought a house before shouldn't have the timer" okay, so you just straight-up give bots an instant-win UNO card and you lose any hope of seeing any house. Ever.

I know what he's intending, but this is correct. Many of these botters are probably even botting THAT process!!! The real question should be why SE Legal hasn't gotten involved on a lot of this.

3a. Relocating is not going to be turned off. Period. Sure, it could certainly use a cooldown period, since nobody would need to relocate several times a day. But 6 months is a bit steep. Maybe 1 month at most, or 1 week at least, but no price-increase, unless they are upgrading sizes. To penalize people for wanting a more desirable plot is beyond stupid.

I think part of the motivation could be that you best be very careful where you locate the first time, because it will be harder to get a second.

4. Housing Activity could be cut down so you have to be active more than once every 45 days,

That timer is irrelevant -- that just determines when the bots can come in and take over.

Dead Wards will always be a thing, purely because Square Enix has said, several times, that they like the Ward-style and the Neighborhood feeling. If you want wards to actually be deemed 'active' then you need to give players a reason to be active there.

I'd love to see a "Dead Ward" every once in a while.

[Crimson03]

1. Nobody is forcing you to pick spamming a placard over sleeping or doing anything more 'productive'. You are willingly taking that path, so cool it with the blame-game.

Haha. I will have to admit that post was me rage posting after finishing off a day of clicking. For those that already have houses, good on them. They don't face these issues. They never have to. I have/had a case of the mad clicks for housing right now, just because i wasn't around when wards were open.

What i am trying to get at is, I understand that housing is a rat race. Wards open, you snooze, you lose. Survival of the fittest. Crush all the weakest/laggiest. You make it sound that way, but i get it. There just has to be a more convenient way to gain access to housing.

2. Pay-2-win? really? That's your recommendation? Not to mention publicly commenting on RMT costs (which is enough to get a permanent suspension, by the way!) won't win you any points, especially when not everyone wants to risk losing their entire accounts (which can be up to several years worth of progress) for Gil that is stupidly-easy to get nowadays.

Noted on the RMT mention. "There is no war in Ba Sing Se" regarding the RMTs. I was using the RMT to estimate a cost for a house if it was to be sold on the Mogstation. We already have P2W services on Mogstation like Story Completion and EZ 80s, so yeah .. call it conveniences or whatever. To me, that's a P2W feature.

3."Accounts that have never bought a house before shouldn't have the timer" okay, so you just straight-up give bots an instant-win UNO card and you lose any hope of seeing any house. Ever. To the point that the invisible timer is meaningless. Good job! Purely on the fact that botters can instantly make "brand new accounts" faster than any human can. So they will just keep flooding the zones.

I was talking about human players, not bots. But clearly u have experienced more bot menaces than i have ingame. The only onces i have seen are the teleporting/leveling ones.

3a. Relocating is not going to be turned off. Period. Sure, it could certainly use a cooldown period, since nobody would need to relocate several times a day. But 6 months is a bit steep. Maybe 1 month at most, or 1 week at least, but no price-increase, unless they are upgrading sizes. To penalize people for wanting a more desirable plot is beyond stupid.

The 6 months limit was a random number thought up . I mean, in reality, i move places every 5 years. Minimum 2 years. Right, so 6 months is a lot of dog years for some people. I agree with the 1 month bit, and i am open to suggestions. I am just estimating numbers that appeal to me. So chill. You don't have to bite my head off.