Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

No, you get painted claws in the standard wooden sandals. Stop being so demanding and ungrateful, jeez!

NU
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I WANT THE THING! GIVE INTO MY SELFISH DEMANDS >:/

[Insainbutterfly]

Adding my support to this! I would love to see a female Hrothgar added in!

[reivaxe]

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Like I said take it to the DMs of a platform if you wanna keep at it.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with reivaxe on the Hrothgar hair thing.

They seem to have gambled on people finding the fur patterns a lot more exciting than they ended up doing since they put those in the hairstyle slot in the CC, and we've all seen now how that was received.

It's good to be hopeful that they will address it, because it really is anti-consumer and they should address it, but it's more poor decision making on their part than an oversight, really. I don't believe they've even really acknowledged it, in the art stream they mostly talked about how having so few headgear options was unfortunate and they'd keep looking into ways to make things work, but kept pretty quiet about hairstyles.

Unless I missed it?

Pretty much. You didn't miss anything in the stream, they are very careful with their words when talking about what they're trying to do with Viera and Hrothgar heads.

They kept talking about memory limits and that has got to have something to do with the fur&patterns features. They really rolled the dice on that fur stuff and prob don't have the memory budget left to make hat-hair models for each mane and head but see the mane as too important a design decision for their vision of Lion Men to take away just to plop on a hat. Like how Viera selections of ears are the reason they can't wear hats ... as it stands they could give them hat-hair models but when it comes to the ears they would either just have to clip horribly, be turned off or they would have to make a solution that works for all 4 ears which may cross the memory budget or may be too much work depending on the solution.

Perhaps with more power they may be able rig up a solution to it some day, but they have made it clear it's not a promise.

Tis why I'm glad to see that the females are depicted as being bald, without manes there would be no reason they couldn't wear hats and as someone who rocks short hair cause of hate for clipping I know that hats do so much more for making your character look different.

Also finally found the artist behind this drawing (I try to credit everything and this one bugged me as it was nothing but a sea of pinterest links when I searched it)


They also made this (they seem to not draw Tabaxi much so that pretty much all the cat folk they have)

[Yencat]

Tis why I'm glad to see that the females are depicted as being bald, without manes there would be no reason they couldn't wear hats

Maybe, but there's no practical reason Viera can't use any of the hairstyles available in the game either, yet here we are.

Aside from the reasons they've given and how much sense they make there's a very practical side effect to the situation for them; it saves them time.

If they can get male Viera and female Hrothgar out the door, make people happy about that and sell some more Fantasias, all the while keep saving that time through the same limitations? It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

The bar of expectations regarding these races is literally on the floor at this point, most people would be thrilled to just have access to them.

Hopefully they're not that dense though and they'll be able to tackle the core issues for both if it's possible.

I try to credit everything and this one bugged me as it was nothing but a sea of pinterest links when I searched it

Pinterest is a blight on Google image search.

[reivaxe]

Maybe, but there's no practical reason Viera can't use any of the hairstyles available in the game either, yet here we are.

Aside from the reasons they've given and how much sense they make there's a very practical side effect to the situation for them; it saves them time.

If they can get male Viera and female Hrothgar out the door, make people happy about that and sell some more Fantasias, all the while keep saving that time through the same limitations? It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

The bar of expectations regarding these races is literally on the floor at this point, most people would be thrilled to just have access to them.

Hopefully they're not that dense though and they'll be able to tackle the core issues for both if it's possible.

The first statement they made about hair for both races in 2019 said that they would give Viera some of the old so at the very least it doesn't seem like a tech issue that keeps em from doing it.

Also, repeating these limitations is easily more work. Like, how many new hair styles are Viera players expecting? I'm guessing ... at least more than 1. Hrothgar manes, either they make mane(s) that all the faces can have or new manes for each type of face or they just add in another beast head with it's own 2 unique manes cause it doesn't seem like any face would get more manes than any other.

This seems like objectively more work than any other race option gets and if you repeat this decision to ignore shared hair for male Viera and this mane stuff for female Hrothgar you've now doubled the expectations. If they simply say Female Hrothgar are bald/ don't have hair but can wear hats and if they just give male Viera shared hair (and maybe different ears so that they can wear hats?) then they don't have to worry about making new hair for them.

In all, these limits are the result of compromises for design decisions that require a lot more work than any other race. Deciding not to give Female Hrothgar hair at all would be less work than making hair for them.

[Yencat]

The first statement they made about hair for both races in 2019 said that they would give Viera some of the old so at the very least it doesn't seem like a tech issue that keeps em from doing it.

Right, that was kind of the point I was making.

There doesn't seem to be a real reason we can't have them, but we still don't have them because...

There would be no reason for female Hrothgar to not be able to wear hats if they were actually bald, but it's by no means a sure thing they would actually be able to because SE is SE.

If they were to release the other genders I could maybe see them moving the now complete races into their own category of restrictions that actually somewhat make sense from a technical standpoint where the Viera get access to the modern aesthetics hairstyles but no hats, and the Hrothgar get the hats but no modern aesthetics hair.

I can't see that going down too well either but even if they made more hairstyles for Hrothgar they'd have to de-tangle their mess of a CC first so people can actually access them without throwing cash at it or they might as well not be there, but unless they actually saw how it was received and listened to feedback (fingers crossed) they still intend to release more faces with different hair for Hrothgar.

[Lihtleita]

honestly think the lack of hair for viera is less about viera needing slight adjustments because of where the ears are, but more so being pretty much unable to do the same for hrothgar and keeping the two races the same out of some weird sense of fairness.
edit: would fem hroths be considered bald even if theyre furry like all over?

[reivaxe]

Right, that was kind of the point I was making.

There doesn't seem to be a real reason we can't have them, but we still don't have them because...

There would be no reason for female Hrothgar to not be able to wear hats if they were actually bald, but it's by no means a sure thing they would actually be able to because SE is SE.

If they were to release the other genders I could maybe see them moving the now complete races into their own category of restrictions that actually somewhat make sense from a technical standpoint where the Viera get access to the modern aesthetics hairstyles but no hats, and the Hrothgar get the hats but no modern aesthetics hair.

I can't see that going down too well either but even if they made more hairstyles for Hrothgar they'd have to de-tangle their mess of a CC first so people can actually access them without throwing cash at it or they might as well not be there, but unless they actually saw how it was received and listened to feedback (fingers crossed) they still intend to release more faces with different hair for Hrothgar.

Oh, I get what you're saying.
Yeah, I have no clue why something like this isn't given to Viera (has to be easier than making a brand new hair just for them ... wind caller also looks non-problematic) but I do think they have a reason, we just don't know it cause people rarely ask them about the finer details. I remember the first time YP talked about hair was in that Japanese Mag interview and it was spread everywhere because for so long people had been wondering wtf they would do with the hair yet no one in the West bothered asking in interviews ... so YP never talked about it.

I feel I can map out the reason Hrothgar can't wear hats by looking at how hats are different from everything they can and can not wear which leads me to think "no mane = no reason females can't wear hats". I can guess blindly at the Viera hair thing (Like ... even when he said that they would get shared hair he didn't feel like all shared hair would be possible meaning they have a concept in mind for what "works" on them or looks right. How many that would be? IDK ...) but I can't really tell
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Either way, it FEELS like they recognize that they may have made a whoopsie which is why they keep talking about trying to find a way around this head gear stuff (never promising though) to help alleviate some of the pain for players as they know the players aren't happy about head gear at least. So yeah, they can decide to just "do " w/e they want but with their current tune I don't think they would ignore hats again if they do make females bald.

Anyway, been loving finding art for bald cat ladies. (seems like a western thing, can't do my West/ East thing too well with this one)

[LisSquid]

I don't know if it's because I have Elder Scrolls brain or what, but I would like my fem hrothgar to be "bald". I love the sleekness of the panther silhouette. Looks less SL furry oc and more fantasy cat furry.

[SturmChurro]

People feet definitely does look weird - too bad females would have people feet too, better than no footgear, I suppose. Now bald hrothgar, sure that should be an option. I don't think they should all be bald, ESO khajiit aren't bald - they just can be bald. ESO actually gave them (and continued) to give them longer or puffy hairstyles - to sell in their cash shop of course.