Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[SturmChurro]

Well:
1. Many players never wanted to touch Hrothgar :<
2. This was only visible to Hrothgar players who viewed the race on the character screen when equipping things.
3. It's been long fixed from my experience.

So it was anyone's guess besides analyzing what people found. I remember one saying the fur pattern/colors were essentially our hairstyle selection so even I thought the head and hair were just built together until seeing twitter examples of mods fixing them to their liking. With the earing slot being the best place for headgear.

I guessed in the past that they probably meant for hrothgar to be able to switch hairs, but ran into issues with different shaped heads, and or time (impending ShB launch). There's an early image of hrothgar floating around somewhere that kind of shows this. I've done whole posts on this a few times before, don't have any quotes on hand though.

[Tooth]

Wouldn't fantasia for it but it would be nice to see.

[reivaxe]

I guessed in the past that they probably meant for hrothgar to be able to switch hairs, but ran into issues with different shaped heads, and or time (impending ShB launch). There's an early image of hrothgar floating around somewhere that kind of shows this. I've done whole posts on this a few times before, don't have any quotes on hand though.

I can't really tell, but given how every mane perfectly fits the head it was made for but most have some level of clipping issues when placed on another head PLUS the fact that they went out of their way to replace a promo image that featured head 3 with head 1's mane (It fueled concerns that the race was unfinished at the time, as people pointed to the horrible clipping in that image assuming that said face could rock said hair cause why wouldn't we assume that) and topped off with how even the concept art only depicts faces with their native mane I'm kinda lead to assume that that's always been the case.

I don't think they up and decided on this late, this seems like it was the plan from the moment YP said "Don't worry about giving them hair, we're going this way!". It would be a pretty big design over-sight to design and model the face but then go "Oh shhhhiiii, we didn't make the size and placement of the ears and forehead match and now the manes look like trash on other models! Welp ... we know what we gotta do now".

It's much easier to just think of the males as not having hair as that's pretty much the case. Their manes seem like they were always going to be some beastly fur they can't control much just like with real male lions.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It was said that the Hrothgar would have new hairstyles unique to them in the future.
I think the idea that their 'Hair' is just their manes/Fur is a solid idea on concept, because while you probly could make a few Hairstyles in game work, others wont work because of the muzzle and headshape, so their Hairstyles are made with the headshapes in mind.
I think this is more then fine honestly, it will make the Hrothgar stand out just a little more if they get their own hairstyles soon here maybe in the next expansion. I would love to see some longer styles with some braids. Maybe some unkempt styles as that would fit their beastal nature.

[zeylos]

I am quite convinced that what SE is likely to do is just slap a few hairs on female viera add about 1 new one for male hrotgar, add the essential hats and release male viera and female hrotgar with similar limitations, which tbf is indee what would make them the most money but I'm really not sure about how players would react on all sides

[reivaxe]

It was said that the Hrothgar would have new hairstyles unique to them in the future.
I think the idea that their 'Hair' is just their manes/Fur is a solid idea on concept.

It's an interesting yet misguided idea imo.
Like, yeah ... Lions have manes. Manes are not a thing they can control, it's a ton of fur on them meant to protect their neck/ intimidate other males/ attract mates and display their vigor to all. It's condition can reflect how often they come out on top in fights. It's a thing that reflects their qualities that they can't really do anything about. So yeah, it's a neat idea to have that reflected in the Lion men cause that's very much how it works. Tis why the females seem to simply not have manes, Lions are 1 of the first iconic examples you think about when it comes to sexual dimorphism in mammals.

Problem is that in the way it was implemented it greatly decreases the amount of freedom and options they have for player customization. You can't make your character skinny or thick when it comes to the body, you can just change the height and skin color and boobs mostly (tails for races with tails). Other than glams a massive part of making your character in this game look unique is changing the shape of your head. Be it through hair styles or hats or helms, changing the shape of your head is important for not looking like a clone and every other race has a high amount of options for that. So when you can't wear a huge amount of hats/ helms and have very limited hair you objectively have few options. Even worse when the only other option for your hair is a cash shop potion

It's like how "make a REAL Fran Viera" sounds good on paper until you run into the hat problem and realize most people woulda been happy with a Bunny race with modded Miqote ears and fluffy tails so long as they're cute/ pretty and could wear hats/ hairs. Now you have a popular race with very full options to look unique, where most people look like clones cause they have like 8 hair styles and zero hats.

TBH I'd prefer Viera and Hrothgar had heads that worked in the system but limited FOOTGEAR so that they could have digitigrade feet but that's just me.

I am quite convinced that what SE is likely to do is just slap a few hairs on female viera add about 1 new one for male hrotgar, add the essential hats and release male viera and female hrotgar with similar limitations, which tbf is indee what would make them the most money but I'm really not sure about how players would react on all sides

The way male Hrothgar work they would "have" to add more than 1 mane.
Cause all 4 of the faces have the same amount of manes so making 1 have more would be a no go as it makes 1 face the objective best choice ... so either they add 1 new mane that all 4 faces can wear (something they haven't shown the desire to do yet given they can't share manes) or they make 1 new mane for each face (4 unique manes total) ... or they just add a 5th head with it's own 2 manes and call it a day (they said Hrothgar were getting new faces to but who knows what that means given the way they're treated, "New manes" could mean "new faces and hairs!" or the other way around).

I still stand by my theory that both Viera males and Hrothgar females will have fewer limitations. Like, Female Hrothgar don't even have manes in the 1 depiction of them we have and no 1 knows what a Viera male even looks like. Same reason that if they ever make a new limited job I expect them to take into account people's grievances with Blu.

[Allegor]

TBH I'd prefer Viera and Hrothgar had heads that worked in the system but limited FOOTGEAR so that they could have digitigrade feet but that's just me.

I'm still so salty a 'better version' of this wasn't their starting gear, that way they could've had actual animal feet without sacrificing anything

I still stand by my theory that both Viera males and Hrothgar females will have fewer limitations. Like, Female Hrothgar don't even have manes in the 1 depiction of them we have and no 1 knows what a Viera male even looks like. Same reason that if they ever make a new limited job I expect them to take into account people's grievances with Blu.

I doubt that'd be fair, specially since Viera and Hroth have been outright neglected so far, pandemic aside [not to mention potential coding issues]. I think either they'd be just as limited, or, more optimistically, the former are getting an update, but that would be considerably more work. The least they could do though, is make Minfilia, Y'shtola, Lightning and Aymeric's hair available for Viera, since only those 4 involve real money.

[BlitzAceRush]

My hope is the neglect is because the "something big" that's been teased all ShB involves upgrades to the models/CC/engine and so they saw little value in creating more stuff before that. While I'm personally OK with the situation for Viera, though Hroth should not have to fant just to change their hair. It's really the only thing that makes sense to me.

[Ultaniku]

While I understand the struggles of making and including races, I’ve never liked the idea of gender locked races. I like to try different lookand race combos so when I don’t get an option it is somewhat frustrating. So I’d support it in an ideal world.

[LisSquid]

On the topic of Hrothgar hair: I imagine them implementing hair in a way that "sits" on top of the mane. I'm not exactly sure what that would look like, but considering there's some issue with separating au ra horns and faces that might be the only way they can work around it.

I can only hope that with f hrothgar, they address the issue. I do have a suspicion that if they are adding f hrothgar and m viera they will be packaged just as limited as what we have now. With new hair/hats with a "please look forward to it" in 7.0 or beyond.