Fix Glamour Restrictions

[ItMe]

The upgraded version, yes. The actual set sadly comes from a vendor and not your 80 class quest. I wouldn't call an EX a raid, though.

Oh right, I get raids and trials mixed up, sorry.
Also, I thought we were talking speficially about dyeable versions of AF gear. My bad again.

[MsMisato]

Hey I'm down w/ having to unlock things lmao. I just want to look however I want to look in the game. Isn't that the purpose of glamour? Like who really cares if I'm a plate armored Black Mage?

I think at the very least that once you have acquisition of the item and put it in the Dresser, the level restriction and class restriction should fall off. Is that fair at the very least?

Yoshi P cares.

[LisSquid]

Oh right, I get raids and trials mixed up, sorry.
Also, I thought we were talking speficially about dyeable versions of AF gear. My bad again.

All good. If you put in the work of upgrading your AF set (especially if it's from an ex or the eureka grind), then I don't see the problem of you repping your favourite job. The base one? idk that just seems too tied to the job to me.

[ItMe]

All good. If you put in the work of upgrading your AF set (especially if it's from an ex or the eureka grind), then I don't see the problem of you repping your favourite job. The base one? idk that just seems too tied to the job to me.

Agreement.

[Juzjuzz]

What AF gear comes from a raid? Dyable AF armor came from eureka, I'll give you that, but all artifact gear (save for shb, which was a strange thing) comes from your class quest. AF sets are themed around jobs, where all other sets in the game are not.

Yes i was talking about shb AF for the trial (said raid i was wrong). And yes AF are themed around jobs, and agree that drg and nin shouldnt share with other jobs. But for tanks, healers, mch+brd & mnk+sam it's not that great to use imo. Only if you swap often sure, you can just tp as well but it gets anoying the more you do it. I was talking about dyeable and non dyeable AF, it's the same thing to me so i don't see a point to making one job locked for glams and not the other. Equip the AF gear on the wrong job might cause problems tho.

[LisSquid]

Yes i was talking about shb AF for the trial (said raid i was wrong). And yes AF are themed around jobs, and agree that drg and nin shouldnt share with other jobs. But for tanks, healers, mch+brd & mnk+sam it's not that great to use imo. Only if you swap often sure, you can just tp as well but it gets anoying the more you do it. I was talking about dyeable and non dyeable AF, it's the same thing to me so i don't see a point to making one job locked for glams and not the other. Equip the AF gear on the wrong job might cause problems tho.

I don't really see the argument about the plates, to be honest. How often are you swapping sets outside of town? How often are you NOT in a town? All my healers have a different glam and I've never been in a situation where the glam didn't instantly change.

[Juzjuzz]

I don't really see the argument about the plates, to be honest. How often are you swapping sets outside of town? How often are you NOT in a town? All my healers have a different glam and I've never been in a situation where the glam didn't instantly change.

If i'm doing something while waiting for queues or more often in pf, i'm outside of town. If i want to swap jobs (to let another guy play gnb for example), AF gear dissapears and i have to go in town to do it. Sometimes i don't have the time (don't want to make ppl wait just for that). So i'm not using AF gear most of the time to avoid that. I like to change jobs a lot (tank main), i rarely play the same tank in between roulettes for savage/extreme i start to do that too.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Nope. Nope to it all.

[Cetek14]

Has it even been a whole week since the last thread on this?

Considering the fact that FFXIV dev team are specialists of ignoring feedback, we can get new one every day. Patches are so small that reading OF is my last content in XIV.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

My big issue with people —including Yoshida himself— who argue against glamour restrictions being removed, or the modern, casual stuff that's added is that this isn't D&D or a tabletop game, its a Final Fantasy title. A series which in recent memory functions as a melting pot of modern, futuristic and medieval tones and themes—you can't really "break" immersion with this stuff.

And going on a tangent here but— this rings especially true in a game like this where you can casually ride bosses you've defeated that stood as existential threats to you and the world mere patches before, teleport from a gothic snowbound high-fantasy city, into an ancient near-modern metropolis deep under the ocean of another bloody world, then to a massive floating technological hell-scape glowing like a neon-cyberpunk dystopia not too far away from the previous high-fantasy city, in the far reaches of the atmosphere within the span of a few minutes and suddenly draw the line at "I don't want my healers and casters wearing armor."

It's mind boggling to think how oblivious people must be to think that the any of this would be somehow immersion breaking when the game itself has shown time and again that its a theme park melting pot of fantasy ideas and themes thrown into one setting that somehow just works—especially with gear designs.

Yet, despite all these varied locales, themes and aesthetics that they sometimes mixup, mash together and flip on their heads, they pointlessly foist a loose visual identity onto every role through archaic gear restrictions when they themselves ignore these same restrictions for NPC design and often times cycle the gear between roles later on down the line anyway.

It's rather insulting to be forced into a set appearance but to then see them take the gear I'd like to use together from other roles and put it on an NPC that's seemingly my role. We're just tired of them ignoring their own restrictions, because if they recognize NPCs look more unique when they do it, there's no justification to not let players do the same.

At this point, I'm convinced the only reason is because they can't just retroactively change the system due to the fact there's no distinction in the glamour system between weapons and gear, so they'd have to go through and rework the system as a whole to keep weapons and AF gear locked to their respective jobs.

In fact, the last time this was asked Yoshida literally said the weapons were the issue so like, either he's oblivious and doesn't understand when people say gear they mean everything but weapons, or the system has no way to differentiate between weapons and gear. It sucks.

I understand combat AF gear; those are unique and iconic, but everything else is literally just generic fantasy armor designs that could very easily work together; and does as we can prove through the try on window, so the restrictions just make absolutely no sense anymore.

I am Boo-Boo the fool. Where's all this cleric plate armor I keep hearing about?

Not just plate armor, but they've not shied away from giving armor to everyone of late in varying capacities, examples—

Crystarium Guard's armor, the current PvP set has literal metal casings around the healer arms, Deepshadow, Rathalos Armor, the Genji Domaru armor from Deltascape, Lost Allagan (SB tome set) gives greaves and gauntlets befitting a tank to healers and casters both, Feast PvP armor sets are all class and several are actually comprised of armor, the entirety of the the Sky pirates sets were unlocked through Ishgard restoration phase 2 as all-class glamours, the sky rat sets as well the Ward Knights set on mogstation.

They are absolutely not against giving healers armor; some of which looks alarmingly heavy, and anyone who claims they are just isn't paying attention in the slightest.