Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[reivaxe]

The problem is with viera they bring up the exact same excuse as with hrothgar, "unique heads". Which is, granted, a valid one. I don't expect as pronounced features as males, but they probably would likely have different shaped heads just as the males. Even if there aren't as many variations in head shape - in comparison to males - AT BEST they would, and should hope for, the same treatment viera females get. At worst, even slight variations in the animal head shape(s) would put them in the same boat as the males.

Oh, the decision behind Viera hair is a "???????" in my mind. At one point, in 1 single interview, YP was like "Yeah, we'll give Viera some of the shared hair ... but only SOME and only the ones that work on them!" and every since then he changed it to Viera only getting Viera unique hair. His first statement makes sense, there are a number of hair styles that they made with zero regard for accounting for that type of head. But there are a number that wouldn't look any stranger than they look on Miqote, more true for most of the ones this expac. Perhaps this statement was a mistranslation, like the "wolf head" for Hrothgar or perhaps there's more to Viera hair problems than I can tell.

But no, I don't think they would get shared hair with other races unless they were straight up Miqote 2.0 so I'd still think it would just be racial hair like Viera.
If they do have a more human like face/ head as the art looks like it's trying to convey I'd assume all 4 faces would be like that as I'm fairly sure none of the Hrothgar male heads have unique facial controls compared to each other (and you do have to animate an animal face differently than a human face) ... but who knows.
Regardless of which way they go they would only have to not make massive differences in ears and forehead to make the racial hair fit every female face.
As it stands the dudes don't have hair with the logic being to go for "manes" attached to unique heads cause Bara-Lions-men so it'll be interesting to see what difference the females have.

[SturmChurro]

Oh, the decision behind Viera hair is a "???????" in my mind. At one point, in 1 single interview, YP was like "Yeah, we'll give Viera some of the shared hair ... but only SOME and only the ones that work on them!" and every since then he changed it to Viera only getting Viera unique hair. His first statement makes sense, there are a number of hair styles that they made with zero regard for accounting for that type of head. But there are a number that wouldn't look any stranger than they look on Miqote, more true for most of the ones this expac. Perhaps his his statement was a mistranslation, like the "wolf head" for Hrothgar.

But no, I don't think they would get shared hair with other races unless they were straight up Miqote 2.0 so I'd still think it would just be racial hair like Viera. If they do have a more human like face/ head as the art looks like it's trying to convey I'd assume all 4 faces would be like that as I'm fairly sure none of the Hrothgar male heads have unique facial controls compared to each other but who knows. Regardless of which way they go they would only have to not make massive differences in ears and forehead to make the racial hair fit every female face.

Viera could have easily been done non-limited, as any other race in the game, EVEN with ear customization as is, in my opinion.

The unique heads thing really just doesn't make any sense for viera. That's why even if their (femhroth) head shape wasn't a problem like it is for males, I see them saying the exact same thing. Viera treatment is probably the best hope they have. Just maybe at that point they would start releasing new hairs for these races..

[Yencat]

Viera could have easily been done non-limited, as any other race in the game, EVEN with ear customization as is, in my opinion.

If the ears were really all that diverse or the base didn't all have the same shape they might have a point, but as it stands right now it really is a big "???????". The base of the ears are all the exact same size and position, even if it's obscured a bit by the fluff around it.

They've modified hairstyles before to work around other race's features, the twin bun style even moves them to a completely different section of the head for Miqo'te to avoid the ears so they can definitely move a braid forwards a bit if it would clip.

[SturmChurro]

If the ears were really all that diverse or the base didn't all have the same shape they might have a point, but as it stands right now it really is a big "???????". The base of the ears are all the exact same size and position, even if it's obscured a bit by the fluff around it.

They've modified hairstyles before to work around other race's features, the twin bun style even moves them to a completely different section of the head for Miqo'te to avoid the ears so they can definitely move a braid forwards a bit if it would clip.

The funny thing is, each race has a very similar amount of racial unique hairs as viera. It's baffling that they get no others. Unless they have a TON of racial unique hairs planned, I will never think this was a good choice for viera. You know what? I don't think I'd think it was a good choice then either, they should get the modern aesthetics we pay for, at the very least - in their advertised, or originally purchased form!

[reivaxe]

If the ears were really all that diverse or the base didn't all have the same shape they might have a point, but as it stands right now it really is a big "???????". The base of the ears are all the exact same size and position, even if it's obscured a bit by the fluff around it.

They've modified hairstyles before to work around other race's features, the twin bun style even moves them to a completely different section of the head for Miqo'te to avoid the ears so they can definitely move a braid forwards a bit if it would clip.

Yeah, was gonna pull up your Hrothgar Hat post showing they there's nothing about the head that says they CAN'T fit hats, you would just have to take off the mane.

Also ran across this lil goodie glitched Hrothgar.


This was the 1 head I thought wouldn't look right bald but looks damn good.
The only real reason I can find for not allowing Hrothgar males to just be bald when they put on most of this hats or simply by default is ... "because I said so, Lion has mane!".

Both races are plagued by fundamental design decisions that I don't get.

[Yencat]

Yeah, was gonna pull up your Hrothgar Hat post showing they there's nothing about the head that says they CAN'T fit hats, you would just have to take off the mane.

Also ran across this lil goodie glitched Hrothgar.


This was the 1 head I thought wouldn't look right bald but looks damn good.
The only real reason I can find for not allowing Hrothgar males to just be bald when they put on most of this hats or simply by default is ... "because I said so, Lion has mane!".

Both races are plagued by fundamental design decisions that I don't get.

He kind of looks like a mountain lion without hair, not bad at all!

Bit surprised bald is not an option in cc even without hats, would've been the least work you'd think?

[Nestama]

This was the 1 head I thought wouldn't look right bald but looks damn good.

It definitely helps that Hrothgar ears are actually attached to their heads and not their hair like Miqo'te and Viera ears.

[AnAverageAspie]

He kind of looks like a mountain lion without hair, not bad at all!

Bit surprised bald is not an option in cc even without hats, would've been the least work you'd think?

Originally when Shadowbringers was released. Maybe due to congestion or bugs when gear/job swapping. You could see their "manes" blink off their heads before the process completed or by simply unequiping a piece of visible headgear. Not sure if it still happens but I never seen it as frequently since 5.0 hit shelves.

So I guess no bald by design. However, this reason could also be to muddy the argument for such clean furry scalps. Audiences would question why no head gear even for something like a hat if they had a hairstyle basically turned off for a bald option. Devs answer would be to have fairness for all options, while fans counterpoints would be just to have no hair all just so they could've worn helmets a bit easier in the first place.
It might be the same potential hypothetical complaint for females. The bare minimum for less hair/wigs on female hrothgar might just be some short hair choices like Winona Ryder's in the 90s.

[Yencat]

Originally when Shadowbringers was released. Maybe due to congestion or bugs when gear/job swapping. You could see their "manes" blink off their heads before the process completed or by simply unequiping a piece of visible headgear. Not sure if it still happens but I never seen it as frequently since 5.0 hit shelves.

That's really interesting, if this was spotted that early on I wonder why the "Hrothgar hair is literally baked in to the head model so what's why they're this way"-thing got so pervasive then.

[AnAverageAspie]

That's really interesting, if this was spotted that early on I wonder why the "Hrothgar hair is literally baked in to the head model so what's why they're this way"-thing got so pervasive then.

Well:
1. Many players never wanted to touch Hrothgar :<
2. This was only visible to Hrothgar players who viewed the race on the character screen when equipping things.
3. It's been long fixed from my experience.

So it was anyone's guess besides analyzing what people found. I remember one saying the fur pattern/colors were essentially our hairstyle selection so even I thought the head and hair were just built together until seeing twitter examples of mods fixing them to their liking. With the earing slot being the best place for headgear.