Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[AnAverageAspie]

I can imagine the wigs idea scenario
Devs: 'We half apologize for our implementation of hrothgar and viera. So these females, while unable to change haircuts like the males, making players hard earned hairstyles still useless. We decided to give em no hair and scatter rare, legendary wigs across the land in drops and recipes for you cat ladies to collect! While you still have to glamor them over, meaning you technically can't "equip" helmets and hair at once. We found this as a means to "compliment" the player experience~'

Wig mage runs!

[zeylos]

I can imagine the wigs idea scenario
Devs: 'We half apologize for our implementation of hrothgar and viera. So these females, while unable to change haircuts like the males, making players hard earned hairstyles still useless. We decided to give em no hair and scatter rare, legendary wigs across the land in drops and recipes for you cat ladies to collect! While you still have to glamor them over, meaning you technically can't "equip" helmets and hair at once. We found this as a means to "compliment" the player experience~'

Wig mage runs!

lmao is it bad that I can actually see this being plausible?

[SturmChurro]

lmao is it bad that I can actually see this being plausible?

It's not plausible. SE wouldn't make wigs - which are full on hairstyles - that only hrothgar females could use. We have yet to see a single new actual hairstyle for viera. If they can't do tail bow ties, ear cutouts for miqo'te, etc. they aren't going to do anything unique to this extent for female hrothgar.

Before the argument, "well then everyone can use wigs", remember SE saying "unique head shape" it wouldn't work out. They could do it, they just won't do it. I think.

[zeylos]

It's not plausible. SE wouldn't make wigs - which are full on hairstyles - that only hrothgar females could use. We have yet to see a single new actual hairstyle for viera. If they can't do tail bow ties, ear cutouts for miqo'te, etc. they aren't going to do anything unique to this extent for female hrothgar.

Before the argument, "well then everyone can use wigs" - remember SE saying "unique head shape" it wouldn't work out.

lmao I know it was meant to be sarcastic.

Anyways, Ive seen the encounter w the queen in youtube and I gotta say Im dissapointed, but it does give me a little amoutn of hope they pulled something similar with female miqote and Yugiri

[reivaxe]

It's not plausible. SE wouldn't make wigs - which are full on hairstyles - that only hrothgar females could use. We have yet to see a single new actual hairstyle for viera. If they can't do tail bow ties, ear cutouts for miqo'te, etc. they aren't going to do anything unique to this extent for female hrothgar.

Before the argument, "well then everyone can use wigs", remember SE saying "unique head shape" it wouldn't work out. They could do it, they just won't do it. I think.

Seems like my "wigs" term was taking outta context lmao!

No, I don't think it would be an item. Looking at Hrothgar males you have to ask yourself "whats stopping them from changing hair styles like Viera?".
When you look at mods that slap different manes on different heads you see that each head is designed to have different ear shapes and sizes as well as differences in foreheads. Some hair styles only clip a lil and some have far more severe clipping issues with that area of the head cause they were designed to suit their proper head. All 4 of the male heads are unique animal like heads and had their manes designed around their head exclusively. This is likely the reason it's a CC option and considered "manes" instead of hair, it's just a thing that's apart of their head.

Given the art work making the females look to have flatter, bald, more human leaning faces/ heads and the fact that the race is inspired by an animal with clear sexual-dimorphism leads me to think that limitations of the males manes prob wouldn't be reflected in females. Even more so when you realize it's the most controversial and scrutinized decision they made with the new races in ShB. Player-base can't really cry for them to "fix" the male's hair yet also desire they repeat the decision for any possible females when all they would have to do is create the females in a way where their heads/ hair styles aren't too unique to be shared between each other.

So you can call it "wigs" or hair.

[SturmChurro]

Seems like my "wigs" term was taking outta context lmao!

No, I don't think it would be an item. Looking at Hrothgar males you have to ask yourself "whats stopping them from changing hair styles like Viera?".
When you look at mods that slap different manes on different heads you see that each head is designed to have different ear shapes and sizes as well as differences in foreheads. Some hair styles only clip a lil and some have far more severe clipping issues with that area of the head cause they were designed to suit their proper head. All 4 of the male heads are unique animal like heads and had their manes designed around their head exclusively. This is likely the reason it's a CC option and considered "manes" instead of hair, it's just a thing that's apart of their head.

Given the art work making the females look to have flatter, bald, more human leaning faces/ heads and the fact that the race is inspired by an animal with clear sexual-dimorphism leads me to think that limitations of the males manes prob wouldn't be reflected in females. Even more so when you realize it's the most controversial and scrutinized decision they made with the new races in ShB.

So you can call it "wigs" or hair.

The problem is with viera they bring up the exact same excuse as with hrothgar, "unique heads". Which is, granted, a valid one (for hrothgar). I don't expect as pronounced features as males, but they probably would likely have different shaped heads just as the males. Even if there aren't as many variations in head shape - in comparison to males - AT BEST they would, and should hope for, the same treatment viera females get. At worst, even slight variations in the animal head shape(s) would put them in the same boat as the males.

[reivaxe]

The problem is with viera they bring up the exact same excuse as with hrothgar, "unique heads". Which is, granted, a valid one. I don't expect as pronounced features as males, but they probably would likely have different shaped heads just as the males. Even if there aren't as many variations in head shape - in comparison to males - AT BEST they would, and should hope for, the same treatment viera females get. At worst, even slight variations in the animal head shape(s) would put them in the same boat as the males.

Oh, the decision behind Viera hair is a "???????" in my mind. At one point, in 1 single interview, YP was like "Yeah, we'll give Viera some of the shared hair ... but only SOME and only the ones that work on them!" and every since then he changed it to Viera only getting Viera unique hair. His first statement makes sense, there are a number of hair styles that they made with zero regard for accounting for that type of head. But there are a number that wouldn't look any stranger than they look on Miqote, more true for most of the ones this expac. Perhaps this statement was a mistranslation, like the "wolf head" for Hrothgar or perhaps there's more to Viera hair problems than I can tell.

But no, I don't think they would get shared hair with other races unless they were straight up Miqote 2.0 so I'd still think it would just be racial hair like Viera.
If they do have a more human like face/ head as the art looks like it's trying to convey I'd assume all 4 faces would be like that as I'm fairly sure none of the Hrothgar male heads have unique facial controls compared to each other (and you do have to animate an animal face differently than a human face) ... but who knows.
Regardless of which way they go they would only have to not make massive differences in ears and forehead to make the racial hair fit every female face.
As it stands the dudes don't have hair with the logic being to go for "manes" attached to unique heads cause Bara-Lions-men so it'll be interesting to see what difference the females have.

[SturmChurro]

Oh, the decision behind Viera hair is a "???????" in my mind. At one point, in 1 single interview, YP was like "Yeah, we'll give Viera some of the shared hair ... but only SOME and only the ones that work on them!" and every since then he changed it to Viera only getting Viera unique hair. His first statement makes sense, there are a number of hair styles that they made with zero regard for accounting for that type of head. But there are a number that wouldn't look any stranger than they look on Miqote, more true for most of the ones this expac. Perhaps his his statement was a mistranslation, like the "wolf head" for Hrothgar.

But no, I don't think they would get shared hair with other races unless they were straight up Miqote 2.0 so I'd still think it would just be racial hair like Viera. If they do have a more human like face/ head as the art looks like it's trying to convey I'd assume all 4 faces would be like that as I'm fairly sure none of the Hrothgar male heads have unique facial controls compared to each other but who knows. Regardless of which way they go they would only have to not make massive differences in ears and forehead to make the racial hair fit every female face.

Viera could have easily been done non-limited, as any other race in the game, EVEN with ear customization as is, in my opinion.

The unique heads thing really just doesn't make any sense for viera. That's why even if their (femhroth) head shape wasn't a problem like it is for males, I see them saying the exact same thing. Viera treatment is probably the best hope they have. Just maybe at that point they would start releasing new hairs for these races..