How has your mindset changed with regards to other players since your started the ga?

[ForteNightshade]

Well for one you're wrong on the unofficial censuses. I'll post it for you.

https://mmo-population.com/r/ffxiv/
https://mmo-population.com/r/wow/

FFXIV is shy of 2m and WoW is down to 4.2m from 7m and it'll go down more. It only rose because of the expansion. Lastly i beg to differ on the bot issue. I watch Asmongold quite a bit. WoW has a bot problem. A big one from what i see in the videos. So i highly doubt WoW handles their bot problem any better.

And it obviously went way over your head. Battle for Azeroth was so crap that they had to release Classic WoW because they were losing players fast. Now they are updating classic WoW alongside the current WoW to keep players in hence why i said they weren't doing fine. I mean, look at the chart for WoW. It stayed around 2m'ish(3) and only rose due expansion.

Um... is this supposed to refute my point? Let's put aside that websites and their questionable creditability. 4.7M is still more double 2M, thus WoW—by your own metric—dwarfs FFXIV in numerical popularity. However... did you actually click these links? According to both, WoW sits at a daily log in of 6.4M while FFXIV hovers at 1.78M, respectively. That is neither down much from 7M nor "just shy" of 2M. Seriously... if anything this bolsters my point. With all that said, this site offers no outline of how they calculate data nor whether they're accounting for bots, minimally active accounts and a whole myriad of things most unofficial censuses at least attempt to showcase. So I question the validity.

Considering FFXIV's entire market board is a bot riddled mess and several of those bots have been active since early Stormblood. They aren't doing much of anything. WoW also has substantially more players, as we've established. They'll have a higher bot problem simply do to volume. It's the same argument as "Balmung has the most bad players." Well, yes. It also has the highest population total. I never said WoW lacks a bot problem, or that they necessarily combat it well. Just better than FFXIV considering, well... FFXIV doesn't do anything.

I never said anything about Battle of Azeroth or the overall state of WoW. I simply called into question your assessment of how bad WoW is doing. Put simply, WoW is so dominate, even a complete failure of an expansion still doesn't come close to knocking them off the MMO throne. And they've held it for nearly two decades.

[EtherRose]

Um... is this supposed to refute my point? Let's put aside that websites and their questionable creditability. 4.7M is still more double 2M, thus WoW—by your own metric—dwarfs FFXIV in numerical popularity. However... did you actually click these links? According to both, WoW sits at a daily log in of 6.4M while FFXIV hovers at 1.78M, respectively. That is neither down much from 7M nor "just shy" of 2M. Seriously... if anything this bolsters my point. With all that said, this site offers no outline of how they calculate data nor whether they're accounting for bots, minimally active accounts and a whole myriad of things most unofficial censuses at least attempt to showcase. So I question the validity.

Considering FFXIV's entire market board is a bot riddled mess and several of those bots have been active since early Stormblood. They aren't doing much of anything. WoW also has substantially more players, as we've established. They'll have a higher bot problem simply do to volume. It's the same argument as "Balmung has the most bad players." Well, yes. It also has the highest population total. I never said WoW lacks a bot problem, or that they necessarily combat it well. Just better than FFXIV considering, well... FFXIV doesn't do anything.

I never said anything about Battle of Azeroth or the overall state of WoW. I simply called into question your assessment of how bad WoW is doing. Put simply, WoW is so dominate, even a complete failure of an expansion still doesn't come close to knocking them off the MMO throne. And they've held it for nearly two decades.

You're not quite understanding the point here. I could care less about the number of players. You brought that up. I simply replied in tandem. My point that i made was that WoW was not doing as good as it was. In which this is true. Yes, it still holds high over others partially but the point was WoW wasn't doing good as it was.

Also yes, i did read the links i linked. You obviously didn't. Justtt like you linked a reddit post 1+ month ago on FFXIV and a screen rant post on WoW from October last year, L-O-L. MMO population is always updated. As for what it says it's "Estimated" to have 6.4m daily players on WoW but if you actually took the time to look at the graph below, it's currently 4.2m. And you question the validity? But yet you post Reddit and Screen Rant? I'll see myself out.