Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[TheWhiteRabbit]

Just here to state that I absolutely want female Hrothgar (and MALE VIERA) very badly. Full support!!!!!!!!!!

[RyuDragnier]

Do you mind if I ask why you consider them an "abomination"? Their designs are clearly based on the eastern furry designs shown above, that is extremely popular even here in the west, when I look at them at no point do I think they could be ugly enough to even use a strong descriptional word like abomination, and I'm not even a furry.

They do not feel bestial, they don't give it off. They feel more like the 2019 Cats faces. They are human faces on bestial bodies. If you want that, then you don't want to play a bestial character, you want to cosplay as one. We have outfits for that ingame.

[Allegor]

They do not feel bestial, they don't give it off. They feel more like the 2019 Cats faces. They are human faces on bestial bodies. If you want that, then you don't want to play a bestial character, you want to cosplay as one. We have outfits for that ingame.

I'm inclined to agree, human looks don't belong to what's meant to be a beastly race, period. That said, we also have to consider there are (at least) 4 faces, and as much as I too abhor the "Cats movie look" I can almost guarantee one face will be like that because Twelve forbid a female race that can't be waifufied (no offense to anyone), but as long as at least one other looks like an actual cat, I don't really care.

[AnAverageAspie]

Their designs are clearly based on the eastern furry designs shown above, that is extremely popular even here in the west...

Extremely popular in illustrations/vn/2d animation. Yet even those don't even get the clicks or commission loads from artists like MilesDF and Yuliandress. TwoKinds also has a subtle variety in their characters.
Japan separated their ideas of anthropomorphism to two terms:
Kemono ("Beast") and Jujin ("Beastmen")
Splitting the market and interpretation down even more. The former is slowly(thanks maybe to a certain anime) now being used to describe and express the simpler "nyeko" style yet still holding the description to cartoonish/chibi ones like Hello Kitty. While the later is more towards the furry communities preferences, more distinct animal traits to be more anthro than human even if some have flatter faces. Google at your own risk ;3.

I'd play devils advocate in saying the example shots under the CC are expressing the race rather poorly. Even some outside of it via PR images/screenshots. The left looks like a sick Panthro who lost the iconic ears. The right is a hornless elf Padjal with an admittedly nice fur color to compliment the form, reflecting the light all around rather than on glossy textures. Its the best and I wish female Au-Ra could be that. The lower one is just begging for a pig snout. I still overall prefer the "eastern" style in 2D rather than 3D. And I admit it'll just take a bit longer till some enthusiasts can stomach it.

They do not feel bestial, they don't give it off. They feel more like the 2019 Cats faces.
you want to cosplay as one. We have outfits for that ingame.

1998 Rum Tum Tugger outfit when?

[Tsumdere]

They do not feel bestial, they don't give it off. They feel more like the 2019 Cats faces. They are human faces on bestial bodies. If you want that, then you don't want to play a bestial character, you want to cosplay as one. We have outfits for that ingame.

Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one who thought those Varg pictures looked hideously creepy.

Hroth ladies should be beastial just like their male counterparts, not watered down to appeal to the people who don't want a beast race.

[reivaxe]

Do you mind if I ask why you consider them an "abomination"? Their designs are clearly based on the eastern furry designs shown above, that is extremely popular even here in the west, when I look at them at no point do I think they could be ugly enough to even use a strong descriptional word like abomination, and I'm not even a furry.

It's completely dependent on personal taste. I personally don't find anything wrong with them and given the limits of this game back when I was begging for Viera I thought that the Bless Panth/ Varg style was the most logical thing the devs could do to please those asking for a beast race (cause surely they would never make a race with out head gear). But that's me, I've never had anything against all the styles of furry art I see so long as it's appealing in some way ... be it cute or cool or sexy. (This IS why I'm not a fan of Khajiit. I find everything about them boring, unappealing and lazy).

It comes in all shapes and styles, even Avatar works on the bases of "cat like features on a mostly flat human face" and regardless of what personal opinion is on Cats the movie people fucking loved Avatar.

That said, we also have to consider there are (at least) 4 faces, and as much as I too abhor the "Cats movie look" I can almost guarantee one face will be like that

I don't think that's feasible.
Though the Hrothgar male heads look different to each other they all have snouts and follow the same basic principles/ facial structure. If this art is to be taken as accurate the 1 face we know of to rep the females (2 if you count the queen, she's got slight differences) has a very flat face large eyes and some kinda notable lip(s). To put it simply, if I had to bet I'd 100% say we're getting 4 versions of 1 type of face cause I don't believe they've ever made such structural differences between faces that they could require different animation controls or rigs for emotes.

But who knows what they're doing.

I'd play devils advocate in saying the example shots under the CC are expressing the race rather poorly. Even some outside of it via PR images/screenshots.

That picture isn't to promote Bless Unleashed, it's simply to help people visualize why it looks so similar to the art. Feel like everyone interested in the topic or hopeful of playing them someday should actively be looking for examples of what they could look like based on what we know.

If they are making their own version of the flat face eastern style I expect it to look as good as anything else they make these days so I don't think anyone who likes how FF14 looks should worry.

[RyuDragnier]

It's completely dependent on personal taste. I personally don't find anything wrong with them and given the limits of this game back when I was begging for Viera I thought that the Bless Panth/ Varg style was the most logical thing the devs could do to please those asking for a beast race (cause surely they would never make a race with out head gear). But that's me, I've never had anything against all the styles of furry art I see so long as it's appealing in some way ... be it cute or cool or sexy. (This IS why I'm not a fan of Khajiit. I find everything about them boring, unappealing and lazy).

Ironically what you find boring, unappealing, and lazy, is what a lot of furries find to be exciting, appealing, and detailed. There are very few games out there where you can play as an actual beast race, and Elder Scrolls is one of them. Khajiit and Argonians have a lot of fanart in the community, just like how there's a lot of fanart of Tauren, Pandaren, and Worgen from WoW. Rather than human/dwarf/elf/giant/nekomimi (human with animal ears/tail) variants, these are actual unique races.

[SturmChurro]

Ironically what you find boring, unappealing, and lazy, is what a lot of furries find to be exciting, appealing, and detailed. There are very few games out there where you can play as an actual beast race, and Elder Scrolls is one of them. Khajiit and Argonians have a lot of fanart in the community, just like how there's a lot of fanart of Tauren, Pandaren, and Worgen from WoW. Rather than human/dwarf/elf/giant/nekomimi (human with animal ears/tail) variants, these are actual unique races.

Frankly, I think the whole ESO character creator is boring, unappealing, and lazy, but people cannot deny the popularity of khajiit - probably less so argonian though. A lot of people love the lore and everything else behind them, when I play ESO I see RP all the time with "this one" etc. People love Khajiit. In comparison with other races, I'd have to agree that khajiit are actually one of the most unique ones for ESO, and they look great in hoods. I still don't play them (I prefer elves).

[reivaxe]

Ironically what you find boring, unappealing, and lazy, is what a lot of furries find to be exciting, appealing, and detailed.

Like I said, it's all personal taste. The reason I say that about Khajiit is that the games they're from have old drab ass boring European fantasy aesthetics and an art style that tries to be realistic. This is reflected in the characters, making them look like unnerving corpses regardless of race. Part of the appeal to the series is modding to make your prefect game to which I can say I've seen a number of mods that seek to pump some soul into this game's characters by changing designs and aesthetics.

I have nothing against WoW, it's got an art style that's full of life and like 100 races.
The game Second Life has a huge furry presence as it's a game that allows the players to express themselves in any number of body shapes.

So nah, I'm not giving ES a gold star for stapling a sawed off cat head on a corpse just cause there isn't many games that have 3D anthros.

[Shadowshinra]

Edit: Forgot to quote but you probably know who is being spoken to about this subject lol

Sure, however that still doesn't really fit the bill for an abomination to me, sure if something had a human body but a slug face I'd probably consider that an abomination, like I get that full on animal faces are generally what full on furries enjoy, i've certainly seen my fair share of fan art. But looking at the Bless/Eastern style cat people I certainly don't look at them and go Eugh wtf is that.. Guess this is something that would need me to be in the same mindset of a furry I guess?

In regards to the body shape, what's the general consensus? Same as the Bozja art, Curvy but slim? Or do most people want something different than what was shown?