Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[SturmChurro]

Not that I'm advocating for anything but it's non-sense to think "most people" would hate Miqote 2.0 when you can sum up the last 2 newest poplar af females added to the game as "____ version Miqote". Many would jump at the chance for a "different Miqote".
There's a lot of room between Miqote and heads that were built to have shatty limits. For example, I'm 100% sure just having "reg hair" would do a lot towards making Hrothgar more hat friendly as the shape of their face or their head isn't what stops them from wearing hats (The shape of their head and face may very well stop the devs from giving them shared hair as their ears come out the front of their head but they could have had reg racial hair). The males were built to have "lion manes" be a part of their body in CC instead of having reg hair so it's something they either turn on or off, there's no hat hair model cause they don't have hair. Giving the dudes reg hair instead of manes wouldn't make them Miqote 2 and likely would allow hats but still leave them out in the cold for open face helms. Much Like if Viera didn't have 4 options for ears it would be far easier to come up with a solution to their hat's problem, a number of problems with these 2 races as-is comes from arbitrary design decisions that don't add as much as they take away.

I think more people would prefer the miqo'te 2.0 or whatever. I don't see "most people" wanting khajiit with roe bodies. Like sorry guys, but that just wouldn't be very popular.

Now me? I wouldn't want miqo'te 2.0 regardless if it would be popular or not. I definitely wouldn't want them to have a roe body either though. Then again, for me, this is just casual conversation. I wouldn't play a femhroth either way.

[reivaxe]

I think more people would prefer the miqo'te 2.0 or whatever. I don't see "most people" wanting khajiit with roe bodies. Like sorry guys, but that just wouldn't be very popular.

Now me? I wouldn't want miqo'te 2.0 regardless if it would be popular or not. I definitely wouldn't want them to have a roe body either though. Then again, for me, this is just casual conversation. I wouldn't play a femhroth either way.

I feel you, I'm on the other side kinda ... as in I WANT to play them and I want them to be enjoyed by others. I don't personally want "Miqote 2.0" but there's a ton of ways to make them flat faced and I wouldn't personally care or blame the devs if they just did that as it has it's fanbase. W/e they do, I'm down so long as they're appealing to fans of female furries as much as the dudes are appealing to the Bara-furry crowd.

The interesting thing I noticed about body type talk is that the whole "make em Femroe/ masculine!" just comes across as virtue signaling. Like, given femroe numbers slapping a Khajiit animal head on them would just result in them having even a smaller population than Femroe who themselves are the least played option in game. I'm a part of a number of FB FF14 groups and after that looong fight with the Hrothgar dude a few pages back in this thread I saw some woman in one say they should add Female Hrothgar and have them be "just as buff as the males!". I asked her "Why do you want this? Is this a thing people are into or want to play?" and she just plainly said "No, I just find the idea of seeing a male Hrothgar with boobs and a dress to be hilarious!".

It was more proof to me of something I'd been suspecting, that a number of people saying this wouldn't bother playing them or don't seem to care about those who would normally be down for playing an anthro female. Got me asking myself "Who ARE the Hrothgar for?" and it all comes back to the furry crowd as the dudes are very much made to be appeal to fans of Bara-furries. That's why I started posted all this furry art, it's like a strange elephant in the room that no one wants to address. That everything about this game says that the females "would also be attractive".

The spectrum of what styles furrys are into is wide and long, but they're often times not hulking beefed out females like femroe.



People assuming they would just be Femroe with animal heads "Cause the dudes use the Roebro rig" (Not understanding that all females other than Lala use the same rig) is IMO why they get faar less chatter and very lil fan-art even though furries are a huge an active crowd online. That's not a very exciting idea to most people who aren't willing to play Femroe already.

[EtherRose]

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Kittydee's Lion artwork is great. *cough* >.>

On a side note i really hope they do make female Hrothgar around those lines. But a voice in the back of my head is also saying "Watch them do half and half. Semi-fur. Miqo'te 2.0 but with some fur and a little more feral looking".

[SturmChurro]

I feel you, I'm on the other side kinda ... as in I WANT to play them..

Yeah, I can guarantee that people largely wouldn't want to play a hrothgar with a roe body. Doesn't matter if they had a human or more animal face. The body would completely ruin it. Like when I've seen tall, or bigger females in games, the body people actually want for them is more like what I was talking about earlier: similar to Archeage's Warborn. Something still a bit feminine, with curves. That's why if they decided to make them a bit taller they would be infinitely more popular, and definitely look better, being closer to highlander rather than femroe, in my opinion.

One thing I really hope they would get right for female hrothgar/male viera, is animations though. Male hrothgar being hunched over is one of the biggest complaints I see for them.

Also, I'd guess those Bless cats were probably really popular, though they also have the unique feet and everything going on. All we'd get is the head/face, it's too bad.

[AnAverageAspie]

I just remembered that if the Devs will stick onto the design principle of Hrothgar as "race with unique heads, limited headgear", via evidence said from Devs that want to try adding more unique heads, patterns for the current Hrothgar. It could be just as plausible for them to make unique heads were we can have a flatter face and a more animal/bestial face to "please both". The only issue is that a flatter face would mean less complex textures (paint colors on skin with no fur detail/hatching ala BNA) and a more animal face means females should have the same skin/fur textures as the males. The sample of KittyDee's lion if applied would still be miles ahead of what we can express ourselves with(or most eastern mmos have). Jjust make them taller and buffer around the collarbone and thighs. Outside of that, we all know Femroe is a flop just like the Roebros but its a matter of EXECUTION...or realizing your game don't work in adding fun things :/

At least they thought ahead in giving Khajit rounder heads to allow headgear. A blend of Form & Function, as they say. FF would be entirely different if they only just took from Dragon Quest. The interpretation of East/West styles mingled together is fascinating.

One thing I really hope they would get right for female hrothgar/male viera, is animations though. Male hrothgar being hunched over is one of the biggest complaints I see for them.

Also, I'd guess those Bless cats were probably really popular, though they also have the unique feet and everything going on. All we'd get is the head/face, it's too bad.

I definitely think no hunch will happen. While I'm indifferent to the hunch while understanding the anatomy idea behind it (Himbos that constantly travel through multiple forms of terrain at different elevation), I do enjoy its "ready stance" nature when pulling out an axe or gun. If female's are going to be smaller than it would just be odd. However, maybe give an idle stance where they can hunch/slouch?

Less Bless the better and no amount of popularity for a race can save that mess. Lupus gives me 2001 Planet of the Apes vibes but with less face detail than the makeup on 1998 CATS.

[zeylos]

imo Bless's lupus or FF X ronso are what hrotgar should have been (Id have prefered to have male ronso instead of male hrotgar if im honest, with a higlander body build and more athletic animations) which is what I assume female hrotgar will look like based on the murals

[reivaxe]

Kittydee's Lion artwork is great. *cough* >.>

I really enjoy her style.

imo Bless's lupus or FF X ronso are what hrotgar should have been (Id have prefered to have male ronso instead of male hrotgar if im honest, with a higlander body build and more athletic animations) which is what I assume female hrotgar will look like based on the murals

I've been making sure to post the East Asian furry art along side the Western art to temper expectations because this may very well be the case.

I've noticed from the time I first saw them that they looked very flat faced and that's very much the way the Eastern Furrys seem to gravitate.



So I decided to do a lil side-by-side with the Varg in Bless Unleashed. (Added the lil race because I felt that dot of a nose may mean it's tiny like a house cat nose)


Then I remembered that I had 2 screens of test Femroe for Femroe faces 1 and 4 on my computer so I decided to make a face 2 Femroe and show just how closely the Femroe face looks to what we have in game.


I realize that the art isn't super duper detailed but it's detailed enough to nail all the key features of any Femroe face when they coulda left all these women faceless so take from that what you will.

[NealSnow]

I don't care what body they have long as they are also beast like in face as the males are, literally care about nothing else cause I feel its moot. Would I LOVE them to have beast feet and hands? Yes... would it ever happen? Seventh hells no, no way would they do that. So I'd take what I can get.

Also now I want to play bless but i don't have a console anymore damnit lol

[RyuDragnier]

imo Bless's lupus or FF X ronso are what hrotgar should have been (Id have prefered to have male ronso instead of male hrotgar if im honest, with a higlander body build and more athletic animations) which is what I assume female hrotgar will look like based on the murals

No to Bless's Vargs. No no no no NO NO NONONONONONONONONO! Those faces are an abomination and female Hrothgar should never use them, EVER!

[Shadowshinra]

No to Bless's Vargs. No no no no NO NO NONONONONONONONONO! Those faces are an abomination and female Hrothgar should never use them, EVER!

Do you mind if I ask why you consider them an "abomination"? Their designs are clearly based on the eastern furry designs shown above, that is extremely popular even here in the west, when I look at them at no point do I think they could be ugly enough to even use a strong descriptional word like abomination, and I'm not even a furry.