How has your mindset changed with regards to other players since your started the ga?

[Liam_Harper]

The ff14 community to me just seems so ...unenthusiastic, or apathetic at times. Hard to put the exact word to it and doesn't always apply to everyone, but just how it feels overall.

Where in other MMO's people used to really get into their gearing, classes, optimization and all the different content, a large amount of ff14 players just don't seem to care. They just do roulettes or craft a little and log off. They don't care if they're playing badly, they don't really want to be challenged, they're not in a rush to get the rewards, most generally just pug than find friends to group with.

If a new patch is about to come out or new content was just released or some new piece of news is out, sometimes it isn't even posted here on the forums. It's just the same Duty Finder stories, show your catgirl and a few trolls or empty threads. For example, Ishgard ranking was just released and there was almost no discussion on the DoH forum and the Dungeons section is generally empty, just a rant here and there and very little discussion.

Maybe it's the content, how easy, fast and predictable a lot of it is and the safety bubble environment where player performance is something to be hidden away that just causes people to care less about it all over time. They play it, it's enjoyable and functions to spend spare time on, but hard to really get enthusiastic about it.

[Driavna]

The ff14 community to me just seems so ...unenthusiastic, or apathetic at times. Hard to put the exact word to it and doesn't always apply to everyone, but just how it feels overall.

Where in other MMO's people used to really get into their gearing, classes, optimization and all the different content, a large amount of ff14 players just don't seem to care. They just do roulettes or craft a little and log off. They don't care if they're playing badly, they don't really want to be challenged, they're not in a rush to get the rewards, most generally just pug than find friends to group with.

If a new patch is about to come out or new content was just released or some new piece of news is out, sometimes it isn't even posted here on the forums. It's just the same Duty Finder stories, show your catgirl and a few trolls or empty threads. For example, Ishgard ranking was just released and there was almost no discussion on the DoH forum and the Dungeons section is generally empty, just a rant here and there and very little discussion.

Maybe it's the content, how easy, fast and predictable a lot of it is and the safety bubble environment where player performance is something to be hidden away that just causes people to care less about it all over time. They play it, it's enjoyable and functions to spend spare time on, but hard to really get enthusiastic about it.

The target audience of this game is what you are describing. Players just log in to do whatever they enjoy and that's about it, they don't take the game seriously. The attitude you are describing is very niche in any current MMO, just happens to be even more niche in FFXIV.

[ItMe]

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Is this an impression you've gotten through the game or through the forums?

[ForteNightshade]

The ff14 community to me just seems so ...unenthusiastic, or apathetic at times. Hard to put the exact word to it and doesn't always apply to everyone, but just how it feels overall.

Where in other MMO's people used to really get into their gearing, classes, optimization and all the different content, a large amount of ff14 players just don't seem to care. They just do roulettes or craft a little and log off. They don't care if they're playing badly, they don't really want to be challenged, they're not in a rush to get the rewards, most generally just pug than find friends to group with.

If a new patch is about to come out or new content was just released or some new piece of news is out, sometimes it isn't even posted here on the forums. It's just the same Duty Finder stories, show your catgirl and a few trolls or empty threads. For example, Ishgard ranking was just released and there was almost no discussion on the DoH forum and the Dungeons section is generally empty, just a rant here and there and very little discussion.

Maybe it's the content, how easy, fast and predictable a lot of it is and the safety bubble environment where player performance is something to be hidden away that just causes people to care less about it all over time. They play it, it's enjoyable and functions to spend spare time on, but hard to really get enthusiastic about it.

A lot of that idle chatter doesn't make it to the forums due to the lax moderation. Considering reddit had a 1,500 upvoted thread mocking just how many people have been banned here. Suffice it to say, the online community doesn't exactly view the OF in a good light, whether justified or not. Therefore, much of that discussion shifts to reddit itself or various discords because people aren't afraid to parse their opinions.

With that said, it's undeniable the ease of content has definitely had an impact. Crafting is more or less either meme'd on or people lament the "old days" instead of discussing anything current. It doesn't help nearly everyone knows bots are a notorious problem which heavily taints any excitement Ishgard has, especially when so little is done about crafting bots in general. It's rather sad seeing Ashe10 barely talk about FF nowadays outside how much he loathes the new crafting changes.

I can't argue I haven't felt similarly unenthused at times. It's hard to get excited about content I can absolutely faceroll without a modicum of effort. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy the MSQ, normal raids and etc. I wouldn't be here if I didn't enjoy the game as a whole. It just... lacks something at the moment. Perhaps I've just been playing for long enough I can't get excited about the same patch cycles the way I did years ago. It doesn't help I'm more worried going into 6.0 about job adjustments and such. I know a friend of mine is terrified they'll destroy what's left of the jobs she enjoys since her prior favorites were Bard and Astro. Need I say more?