How has your mindset changed with regards to other players since your started the ga?

[LaughingBanana]

Believe it or not, as I accrue more experience playing this game I grew even more patient of players' eccentricities and/or mistakes. I usually just laughed it off whenever wipes are happening or players do stupid stuff.

[ItMe]

Believe it or not, as I accrue more experience playing this game I grew even more patient of players' eccentricities and/or mistakes. I usually just laughed it off whenever wipes are happening or players do stupid stuff.

Big SAME.
Stupid shit going down is usually a pretty funny break from the norm, and a learning experience for someone.

[LaughingBanana]

Big SAME.
Stupid shit going down is usually a pretty funny break from the norm, and a learning experience for someone.

Yup! Like last night for example, running Aurum Vale with a Tank Warrior sprout. The player never used Overpower, he/she only used provoke up until 2/3rd of the dungeon when finally he/she used Mythril Tempest, and most probably he/she didn't know about the morbol fruit mechanics, at one time accruing 7 stacks of burrow debuff--the 1st time I've ever seen it happening to someone. He/she died, ofc, on the 1st boss, and then gets whacked to oblivion on the Cyclops boss, lol, and the last boss he/she didn't fare any better. Poor guy/gal.

My Scholar friend couldn't believe what we were seeing, and coming from a Warrior main who is now using WHM and DNC, I just found the sprout's eccentricities to be so funny, I was laughing my arse off the entire dungeon. One other Machinist PUG, bless his/her heart, stood on throughout even though we wiped so many times due to Tank's doing crazy shit, but that's probably because he/she's too lazy to dutyfind another Aurum Vale, lol.

I gave the warrior commendation just for kicks, lol, and perhaps to soothe his/her demoralizing heart for having played the class so badly, hahaha.

Truly, the highlight of my dungeon runs yesterday. I was so entertained by it I recorded it on my PS4, hahaha.

[Doozer]

I didn't really have any opinion of the game when I first started except people expecting me to know what to do...

And now I know that when I go into a duty with a mentor crown and open my mouth to even remotely explain anything, making sure to use a neutral tone so no one thinks I'm attacking them, I get called a c*nt and then people badger me through the entire duty when they should be actually playing the game.

They want to go fast and succeed on the first attempt while simultaneously making no effort to learn what to do or try something different. At least, that's how it is on NA worlds; not sure about EU or JP. So I started playing SAM because it has no utility and if they all fail I'm not carrying them anymore. They can learn from their mistakes or get stuck in a loop, it's not my problem. Though sometimes I encounter players who feel the same and I have a rare positive encounter.

Oh, and I know now that no matter what you queue for, you're going to get Labyrinth of the Ancients. Because people want 'fast' clears but still can't do the Atomos fight in 2020.

[NekoHina]

I have been playing since the beginning and the thing that has changed the most (that I have noticed) and bugs me a lot is how we used to be able to go into a dungeon “blind” (beyond the first day) and NOT have others jump down your throat for not watching a video first. It is fun to do a dungeon the first time as a surprise. But unless it is within the first couple of days of a patch, people expect you to have read a guide and watched the video and the video guide...so you better know the fight even before you set foot inside. There have been times when you get a great group who are up for the fun of it, but too many players these days treat this game as a job and a few extra minutes is just too much to ask. It is sad because it is supposed to be fun.

[Doozer]

I have been playing since the beginning and the thing that has changed the most (that I have noticed) and bugs me a lot is how we used to be able to go into a dungeon “blind” (beyond the first day) and NOT have others jump down your throat for not watching a video first. It is fun to do a dungeon the first time as a surprise. But unless it is within the first couple of days of a patch, people expect you to have read a guide and watched the video and the video guide...so you better know the fight even before you set foot inside. There have been times when you get a great group who are up for the fun of it, but too many players these days treat this game as a job and a few extra minutes is just too much to ask. It is sad because it is supposed to be fun.

Yeah totally. That's why I really enjoyed Trusts being added, because I could just jump into a dungeon and learn it by myself without spoiling everything just because someone else wants to rush through it. It can be annoying when someone doesn't know what to do in a duty, but if it's their first time it's fine. It's when they've done it before that makes it a problem. For whatever reason people really want to do everything in this game really fast. Maybe because they pay to play?

[Driavna]

I have been playing since the beginning and the thing that has changed the most (that I have noticed) and bugs me a lot is how we used to be able to go into a dungeon “blind” (beyond the first day) and NOT have others jump down your throat for not watching a video first. It is fun to do a dungeon the first time as a surprise. But unless it is within the first couple of days of a patch, people expect you to have read a guide and watched the video and the video guide...so you better know the fight even before you set foot inside. There have been times when you get a great group who are up for the fun of it, but too many players these days treat this game as a job and a few extra minutes is just too much to ask. It is sad because it is supposed to be fun.

My experience is totally different to this for any content but savage and extreme. Other players only explain what to do if necessary or asked.

[Veis_Alveare]

My experience is totally different to this for any content but savage and extreme. Other players only explain what to do if necessary or asked.

I'd agree.

There's generally not even any time to explain things to people in content outside of EX+, it's usually a matter of the gate dropping and the tank running off. I'm not saying that as a negative, just a statement.

As to the post this responded to initially (NekoHina) if you're bothered by people explaining what went wrong after there have already been wipes I'm not sure where that comes from. Everyone has the opportunity to run content blind as it comes out, if you really expect 3/7/23 other random players to not attempt to smooth things out once they're going south I think you'd be better served by a single player game of some sort. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, more just preemptively address a common complaint from people I've seen with similar views in the past.

I suppose the thing that's been changing for me most recently is an understanding of how uneducated many people are on even the base mechanics of XIV. I joined an FC that has a lot of newer or less experienced players and they're all nice people but some of them just dont even grasp things I kind of thought were common knowledge like the idea of a GCD. I've always been someone who likes to read up on video games I'm playing or even games I'm thinking of picking up so researching XIV came kind of naturally.

Honestly I can say I've seen some real improvement from some people when they're introduced to the idea of how gameplay is structured and the idea of what respectable dps in a pug group looks. It's been a positive experience overall, both because it let me see that not all people who are playing poorly are doing it to be inconsiderate and because it's helped improve some of their performance, but it also just makes me realize how easily someone might fall through the cracks.

If everyone who sees an ice mage just.... doesn't say anything, yeah, I can imagine that person making it into my expert roulette now. Much as it may suck to negotiate around the awful ToS I think any competent player is in a way responsible for the bottom of the barrel, at least if they ever find themselves complaining about the state of things. It's up to everyone to get the community to a better place and people doing a bad job won't know about it unless they're informed. The game never gives any sort of feedback beyond "you cleared another dungeon/trial! Good job have a cookie!" so... we probably should.

[ItMe]

Yup! Like last night for example, running Aurum Vale with a Tank Warrior sprout. The player never used Overpower, he/she only used provoke up until 2/3rd of the dungeon when finally he/she used Mythril Tempest, and most probably he/she didn't know about the morbol fruit mechanics, at one time accruing 7 stacks of burrow debuff--the 1st time I've ever seen it happening to someone. He/she died, ofc, on the 1st boss, and then gets whacked to oblivion on the Cyclops boss, lol, and the last boss he/she didn't fare any better. Poor guy/gal.

My Scholar friend couldn't believe what we were seeing, and coming from a Warrior main who is now using WHM and DNC, I just found the sprout's eccentricities to be so funny, I was laughing my arse off the entire dungeon. One other Machinist PUG, bless his/her heart, stood on throughout even though we wiped so many times due to Tank's doing crazy shit, but that's probably because he/she's too lazy to dutyfind another Aurum Vale, lol.

I gave the warrior commendation just for kicks, lol, and perhaps to soothe his/her demoralizing heart for having played the class so badly, hahaha.

Truly, the highlight of my dungeon runs yesterday. I was so entertained by it I recorded it on my PS4, hahaha.

Oh yeah, I saw your story in the Tales From the Duty Finder thread! I read it off to my fiance and we had a good laugh.

[SturmChurro]

I am so EXHAUSTED with dealing with people now. I just remembered why I just play this game solo, why I never bothered to look for a guild, people. Yeah, I'm venting. I've been running groups in Borzja for going on a good 3 weeks now, maybe I've just been having bad days lately. I never even wanted to start running parties in the first place. I just always get put into leadership positions, I hate it. I always try to make the farms work for everyone there. I genuinely feel bad when things don't work out. Don't get me wrong, just like Eureka I've met some fun people here and there, but in general people are very combative. It can be a literal minefield to try to actually try and chat with people.

I don't know. I'm not really adding too much context here. I just waste hours. upon hours, upon hours doing things SOLELY for other people, because I want things to work out. I hate leaving things unfinished, things should be done right, and end well. Guess my time doesn't matter. Whatever. Not much of a rant I guess.