Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[SturmChurro]

I'd say there's 3 who aren't "restrained or cutesy" (Femroe, Elezen and Thighlander. Aka the 3 least played females ... Thighlanders are the 2nd least played females seemingly because they're not "the cute human option".)
Game design wise they make it hard to make something that isn't attractive/ cute. That's kinda the general vibe of the aesthetic this game has.

Femroe are just plain ugly, but males are also fairly unpopular, if I remember correctly. Male hrothgar did overtake them. Elezen I think would be A LOT more popular if they had better proportions, more attractive faces, and less stiff animations - animations can play a big role. Highlander females, I think you are absolutely right, midlanders just look better, even if they look plain.

I should clarify, in regards to elezen, I meant more as in additional faces. They need more, new face options.

[zeylos]

Femroe are just plain ugly, but males are also fairly unpopular, if I remember correctly. Male hrothgar did overtake them. Elezen I think would be A LOT more popular if they had better proportions, more attractive faces, and less stiff animations - animations can play a big role. Highlander females, I think you are absolutely right, midlanders just look better, even if they look plain.

There are more roegadyn males overall but in active players male hrotgar do surpass them. Personally, I massively disagree that femroes are ugly, and in my opinion they need nothing but better animations to be a really well done race. I trust female hrotgar may offer a similar body type to both roegadyn females and higlanders while adding the bestial elements and hopefull better more polished/detailed animations

[SturmChurro]

There are more roegadyn males overall but in active players male hrotgar do surpass them. Personally, I massively disagree that femroes are ugly, and in my opinion they need nothing but better animations to be a really well done race. I trust female hrotgar may offer a similar body type to both roegadyn females and higlanders while adding the bestial elements and hopefull better more polished/detailed animations

Yeah, more people actually playing as hrothgar. I do see a decent amount of hrothgar running around lately. Roe females, I'd probably play them (on my alt) if I had some heavy armor ideas in mind, and had access to a ton of options. By that I mean, I'd play them as if they were males. Feminine glams just don't work on them, in my opinion. Female Hrothgar probably would be an inbetween, I question their limitations, and I wonder how soft the would make the faces for them.

[zeylos]

Yeah, more people actually playing as hrothgar. I do see a decent amount of hrothgar running around lately. Roe females, I'd probably play them (on my alt) if I had some heavy armor ideas in mind, and had access to a ton of options. By that I mean, I'd play them as if they were males. Feminine glams just don't work on them, in my opinion. Female Hrothgar probably would be an inbetween, I question their limitations, and I wonder how soft the would make the faces for them.

I actually do think it isnt outside the realm of possibility they'll ship male viera and female hrotgar with the same limitations as their counterparts, add a few more hairstyles and hats and call it a day, which I wouldn't like but from a business standpoint does make a decent amount of sense. I wonder how soft the faces would be as well, I imagine sort of like the Bless beast race maybe? Really like those

[reivaxe]

Femroe are just plain ugly, but males are also fairly unpopular, if I remember correctly. Male hrothgar did overtake them. Elezen I think would be A LOT more popular if they had better proportions, more attractive faces, and less stiff animations - animations can play a big role. Highlander females, I think you are absolutely right, midlanders just look better, even if they look plain.

I should clarify, in regards to elezen, I meant more as in additional faces. They need more, new face options.

I've played Femroe for years so I would never call them ugly, but I DO recognize that they have "unconventional beauty". Problem with the devs trying to design a female version of Roe was that Roe were never "pretty/ attractive" and everything that makes them more than just giant humans is "not very attractive human face features".

And this reminds me of back in the day when I was begging for Viera. People would debate if they should be in and point to Femroe and Elezen as proof that "People who play this game don't LIKE or want to PLAY tall females!" and I would point out "NO, people want something that's tall and pretty/ attractive. Elezen have 2 faces, bad proportions and animations because of how poorly the game was made before ARR. Elf races are normally popular AF. Femroe are not giant sexy amazons, they're masculine af" ... and here we are.

TBH I find all this talk of people wanting Female Hrothgar to look masculine (cause their men ... are masculine? O_o) to be virtue signaling af. If many actually wanted to play a masculine female there's no reason Femroe wouldn't be more popular given they have perfectly good proportions and animations as a result of being added in ARR (their animations lack a solid identity imo but for the most part they're no more quirky than most). Their problem is the masculine shape of their body for the most part. As a vet Femroe I know that glam for them is a mini-game within it's self. 60% of all non-gendered tops easily make you look like a dude and MANY female tops make you look like a ... dude wearing a dress. Shockingly most people don't play females to look masculine and I really doubt there's a large group of people willing to play Femroe "but only IF they had an animal head to go along with that body".
I'm sure this is why Female Hrothgar have so lil fanart, people assume they would just be animal headed femroe. This is by no means the same for furry or DnD art depicting females, "furry" has a very deep and populated online culture.


That's why I love the art we have of them in game, they have a shape that's between Thighlanders and Viera. Thinner than Femroe with Narrower waist and shoulders so that they don't have a masculine frame. Faces that look animal like and feminine in a human way. Good stuff if they ever make them...

Long story short- The devs are smart, that's why they made Hrothgar more popular than Roebros by giving them a better body shape. I see no reason for them to repeat the problems people have with Femroe when it's clear as day why they're the least played anything in this game.

As for the rare RARE Female Hrothgar art I find I like this.


Also love how this person injects cute into what I seems to be 1 that's inspired by coeurl


(They also drew these but don't label them as Female Hrothgar. But it's generally furry art with a horn plus they make FF14 commissions and I've yet to find "Furry with a horn" art on their account before 2019 so ehh)

[Lihtleita]

https://pasteboard.co/JJe4ZEq.png
some notes on hrothgals v femroe
slimmer, shorter (even more so since the mural seems to cut off the femroe at the ankles, but hrothgar has her feet), with prominent cat ears compared to the males
with this scientific analysis i can therefore conclude that they will be taller, bald miqote.

[Vahlnir]

https://pasteboard.co/JJe4ZEq.png
some notes on hrothgals v femroe
slimmer, shorter (even more so since the mural seems to cut off the femroe at the ankles, but hrothgar has her feet), with prominent cat ears compared to the males
with this scientific analysis i can therefore conclude that they will be taller, bald miqote.

Yeah. I'm expecting them to be a bit slimmer than Femroes but still share some of the same skeleton, much like Hrothgar and male Roes do. If they happen at all I mean.

[reivaxe]

https://pasteboard.co/JJe4ZEq.png
some notes on hrothgals v femroe
slimmer, shorter (even more so since the mural seems to cut off the femroe at the ankles, but hrothgar has her feet), with prominent cat ears compared to the males
with this scientific analysis i can therefore conclude that they will be taller, bald miqote.

Thank you, some people have trouble visualizing.

Yeah. I'm expecting them to be a bit slimmer than Femroes but still share some of the same skeleton, much like Hrothgar and male Roes do. If they happen at all I mean.

Femroe do not have a unique skeleton, they have the same rig as every non-lala female race. That's why they share animations with them instead of getting unique ones.

A slim, shorter, narrowered shouldered-waisted Femroe is basically a Viera/ Highlander or so on depending on how short you go cause they all have the same base rig. What makes a non-lala race different is the proportions and measurements that will be used for their gear as your gear is the only "body" your character has.

[van_arn]

I'd be all for a fem hrothgar, but only if it expands the customization palette.

In other words, it can't be cute; there's plenty of options for that already. I'd love an aggressive option.

[SturmChurro]

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I don't know about "unconventional beauty". I can completely get what you mean though, when it comes to glamour. They must be some of the toughest out there to glamour - maybe they are in competition with elezen (proportions)? I do think they probably have more normal looking animations in comparison to some of the reaces, I actually like that. I really could see them going for some decent full armored looks, probably pull it off better than many of the males. Their proportions are fairly normal as well, in comparison. Probably not flattering that I compare them to males, for femroe players.

You are absolutely right on tall races, like you said earlier, it's not that tall races wouldn't be popular, if they are done well people would play a tall race. We just got some iffy options. In other games where the tall female is attractive, I see plenty of them running around. It reminds me of Warborn or whatever, from archeage. That's the main race I played (only put like 100 hours or so into the game total though). They looked really good, and I saw a decent amount of players playing them. That's an example of a female tall race done right. I think the males looked really similar to roe, so pretty decent comparison. If femroe looked like that, it'd be pretty popular. I bet if female roe had the queen's body, they would be a lot more popular - even as is.

Yeah, I think male hrothgar has a lot of appeal though, other than the "fixed" male roe body, that would make players want to play them over roe. They are THE male beast race, and they generally look pretty decent. Male roe on the other hand suffer from those really odd proportions, and look really weird. SE did make some decent looking hrothgar heads, even if players can't change them. Still don't think it was worth the limitations though.

Female hrothgar, yeah, they wouldn't have to be super masculine, but I feel like they would have to be a little bit though. For the whole aesthetic. Preferably they would stand upright, and have some nice neutral (neither feminine or masculine) custom animations/emotes. I think they would look kind of weird if they were too feminine, or soft, if I'm being honest. So miqo'te 2.0, would hopefully be a no go.