MSQ Needs Further Condensing

[Kamatsu]

The Limsa story is changing the situation of something in the world that will probably be built on in further story. They found a cure for tempering - that's hugely important and not something that can just happen in an optional sidequest. It needs to happen in the MSQ so that the next part of the story can refer back to that previous event. It's the same reasoning why Crystal Tower became required once they wanted to build on those events and have something happen that came after it.

This is a good example here of how story matters, yet those advocating cutting the story show they don't pay attention to it - so why cater the story to them, those who don't bother with the story at all?

Tempering has been a major aspect & theme throughout the game - Because we're dealing with Primals throughout the story, tempering has been a constant threat & issue, it's the reason that we (WoL & others with the echo) are so vital to fighting Primals. It's also been shown that without a cure the people of the Eorzea are just having to kill all tempered. So a storyline that revolves around an actual cure to tempering is a major big deal that cover's a major problem the alliance & others have had to deal with throughout the course of the game.

Yet to these ppl... "Oh, why are we doing all this nonsense... it should just be a side-story that we can just ignore". Really? A cure/solution to a major problem that Eorzee has faced & dealt with throughout the game's story, something that has been touched on many, many times throughout the MSQ... should just be made a non-essential side-story? Pffft.

[SturmChurro]

This is a good example here of how story matters, yet those advocating cutting the story show they don't pay attention to it - so why cater the story to them, those who don't bother with the story at all?

Tempering has been a major aspect & theme throughout the game - Because we're dealing with Primals throughout the story, tempering has been a constant threat & issue, it's the reason that we (WoL & others with the echo) are so vital to fighting Primals. It's also been shown that without a cure the people of the Eorzea are just having to kill all tempered. So a storyline that revolves around an actual cure to tempering is a major big deal that cover's a major problem the alliance & others have had to deal with throughout the course of the game.

Yet to these ppl... "Oh, why are we doing all this nonsense... it should just be a side-story that we can just ignore". Really? A cure/solution to a major problem that Eorzee has faced & dealt with throughout the game's story, something that has been touched on many, many times throughout the MSQ... should just be made a non-essential side-story? Pffft.

Can you address us, and our actual arguments? Who are "these people" you are referring to?

[Ammokkx]

Can you address us, and our actual arguments? Who are "these people" you are referring to?

I mean he did quote a post that specifically mentioned Vickii's quote.

Not that Vickii has proven themselves to be much of a reliable source of opinion.

[SturmChurro]

I mean he did quote a post that specifically mentioned Vickii's quote.

Not that Vickii has proven themselves to be much of a reliable source of opinion.

I can't address them as I'd like. I'll get banned for slander. I can't even explain with details what I mean, otherwise I'll get banned for slander. I have to put "my opinion", "to me", etc. I can't just talk like a regular person, because I'll get banned for slander. Sorry, just a small vent, I had to backspace what I was gonna post. Same I did with that reply.

I THINK, to me, maybe, there are a lot of strawmen arguments* in this thread. Just my opinion though. That's it.

I don't have the energy to word my way around what I want to say right now. I just want to post about glam. If someone makes a huge reply it'll take me a good.. half a day to edit a post properly.

[Ammokkx]

I can't address them as I'd like. I'll get banned for slander. I can't even explain with details what I mean, otherwise I'll get banned for slander. I have to put "my opinion", "to me", etc. I can't just talk like a regular person, because I'll get banned for slander. Sorry, just a small vent, I had to backspace what I was gonna post. Same I did with that reply.

I THINK, to me, maybe, there are a lot of strawmen arguments* in this thread. Just my opinion though. That's it.

I don't have the energy to word my way around what I want to say right now. I just want to post about glam. If someone makes a huge reply it'll take me a good.. half a day to edit a post properly.

I'm not really defending either side here (even though I've made it clear what stance I take on the grander matter) but you also have to realise that you're not the only person arguing your side of it. The fact of the matter is, these strawmen have appeared in this thread, they're just not you specifically.

A lot of people are arguing the cut to MSQ in bad faith and wanting to make this into a game it isn't.

I'm still of the opinion the only cuts you can make in the MSQ are minor at best and require some workarounds (like the vesper bay tickets) because the plot is pretty tightly packed with arcs you can't really cut out (or, in CT's case, had to be added to the main plot after the fact).

Skips pretty much are the only compromise, to my mind. I agree with the "one free skip" for a new account idea, for what it's worth.

[SturmChurro]

I'm not really defending either side here (even though I've made it clear what stance I take on the grander matter) but you also have to realise that you're not the only person arguing your side of it. The fact of the matter is, these strawmen have appeared in this thread, they're just not you specifically.

A lot of people are arguing the cut to MSQ in bad faith and wanting to make this into a game it isn't.

I'm still of the opinion the only cuts you can make in the MSQ are minor at best and require some workarounds (like the vesper bay tickets) because the plot is pretty tightly packed with arcs you can't really cut out (or, in CT's case, had to be added to the main plot after the fact).

Skips pretty much are the only compromise, to my mind. I agree with the "one free skip" for a new account idea, for what it's worth.

It's just throughout this thread, words seem to be being put into people's mouths (referring to many cases), opinions are assumed.. Like I said in that post, I can't explain it otherwise I will get banned for slander. If there is any kind of accusatory remark, the mods here will ban you. It is VERY difficult to have a proper conversation here. No, I'm not even being paranoid, I've been banned for slander before. I'm just so sick and tired of strawmen arguments, and it probably stems from me still being annoyed at how I was treated in my own thread. Yeah, I am antagonistic sometimes, I need to work on that, however there is a reason for it. I guarantee you I am getting reported constantly, I KNOW one slip up in my wording will result in another ban. I wish people (in general) could have good faith arguments, without assuming one side wants to destroy the game or something.. Actual discourse. Yeah, again, I've been hyperbolic, but that's in response to other posts. I do take it out on people who are having good faith arguments, I'm definitely not perfect.

I am looking for solutions, so that more people can come and enjoy the game, and perhaps SE will decide then this game is worth pouring more resources and time into, and we all can get what we want. No, I do not want to destroy the game, in my view a streamlined new player experience would help the game, and many here think the same way. Why would I, or people here suggest to cut the MSQ in bad faith? I can completely see the argument for optional MSQ, if people want to do the story in order, they should be suggested, by the game to do just that, if they don't they won't want to do it whether they are forced or not.

I'm not necessarily for cuts, I think the content should still be available, rather than removed.

Skips sure, but then you get people arguing about that as well. Also, a skip is a skip, I think people should be able to go back and do story if they want to. I suppose there is new game plus now. Never tried it, I don't know how good it is or isn't.

[Ammokkx]

If there is any kind of accusatory remark, the mods here will ban you. It is VERY difficult to have a proper conversation here.

Can't say that's been my experience so far.

With the way people talk around these forums, I'm shocked my post history hasn't been the grounds for a perma-ban yet.