Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Qurho]

It's a difficult thing. I have a hard time getting into the presentation of the female races in this game, because they're all very restrained or cutesy. (Notable exception to femroe. I adore them, but I also don't really have any interest in playing a large human in a fantasy MMO.) Sometimes you just want an option that's tough, or an option that isn't all dolled up, you know? But cats are cute, and they play them up as a very tough beastly race, but the hrothgar men in game are also actually quite cute.

Ultimately, I guess my big line is that I'd hope they wouldn't end up as miqo'te 2.0 or au ra 2.0 in terms of design, where they have a super human face or very extreme dimorphism compared to the men. I really wanted to like the au ra ladies, but the restrained emotes and the strong dimorphism is disappointing. Like, everyone notices the height/build, but you can't even have the cool black sclera or blue tongues as the women...

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It's a difficult thing. I have a hard time getting into the presentation of the female races in this game, because they're all very restrained or cutesy. (Notable exception to femroe. I adore them, but I also don't really have any interest in playing a large human in a fantasy MMO.) Sometimes you just want an option that's tough, or an option that isn't all dolled up, you know? But cats are cute, and they play them up as a very tough beastly race, but the hrothgar men in game are also actually quite cute.

Ultimately, I guess my big line is that I'd hope they wouldn't end up as miqo'te 2.0 or au ra 2.0 in terms of design, where they have a super human face or very extreme dimorphism compared to the men. I really wanted to like the au ra ladies, but the restrained emotes and the strong dimorphism is disappointing. Like, everyone notices the height/build, but you can't even have the cool black sclera or blue tongues as the women...

The more this goes on, the more I dont care AS MUCH if there is the Gender Dimorphism. Like, I still would love it if the FemHroths were like Femroes in being tall strong warrior types. But more and more I dont care as much about that I just dont want them to be all Cute Kawaii soft faced, or even worse-human faced/Miqote 2.0. That just the ONE thing they can do to ruin the whole race by following this lazy Beauty and the Beast trope.

[zeylos]

The more this goes on, the more I dont care AS MUCH if there is the Gender Dimorphism. Like, I still would love it if the FemHroths were like Femroes in being tall strong warrior types. But more and more I dont care as much about that I just dont want them to be all Cute Kawaii soft faced, or even worse-human faced/Miqote 2.0. That just the ONE thing they can do to ruin the whole race by following this lazy Beauty and the Beast trope.

I personally will be completely satisfied as long as fem hrots arent female miqote cosplaying hrotgar tbh

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I personally will be completely satisfied as long as fem hrots arent female miqote cosplaying hrotgar tbh

(Late Response)

Thats what Im saying.
Cute Kawaii soft faced, or even worse-human faced/Miqote 2.0

They should have muzzles and be 100% Beast just like the Males.

[reivaxe]

It's a difficult thing. I have a hard time getting into the presentation of the female races in this game, because they're all very restrained or cutesy. (Notable exception to femroe. I adore them, but I also don't really have any interest in playing a large human in a fantasy MMO.) Sometimes you just want an option that's tough, or an option that isn't all dolled up, you know? But cats are cute, and they play them up as a very tough beastly race, but the hrothgar men in game are also actually quite cute.

Ultimately, I guess my big line is that I'd hope they wouldn't end up as miqo'te 2.0 or au ra 2.0 in terms of design, where they have a super human face or very extreme dimorphism compared to the men. I really wanted to like the au ra ladies, but the restrained emotes and the strong dimorphism is disappointing. Like, everyone notices the height/build, but you can't even have the cool black sclera or blue tongues as the women...

I'd say there's 3 who aren't "restrained or cutesy" (Femroe, Elezen and Thighlander. Aka the 3 least played females ... Thighlanders are the 2nd least played females seemingly because they're not "the cute human option".)
Game design wise they make it hard to make something that isn't attractive/ cute. That's kinda the general vibe of the aesthetic this game has.

This is even more so seen when looking at females. The only races in the game where the men don't have noticeable greater range/ freedom to look "Old" or "Hard/ imposing" is in Lalas and Middies cause all their faces are young and fresh/ attractive ... and even the "oldest" female middie face looks easily 10ish years younger than the oldest male middie face. Just flip through the CC, the Draggos aren't really different from any race in that respect other than height difference.

Highlanders males, in lore, cut off their eyebrows to look more off-putting and to possibly give them and edge in battle by concealing what they're thinking. All the Highlander dude faces look hard or rugged. Thighlander's though? Nope, they didn't force them to be eyebrowless or to look like hard goons. They just look like cool young women.

Elezen, males get a lil baby boi face and a lumpy old man face. Females get ... 2 pretty faces and those 2 faces again with make up.

Miqote males get an older, harder man face and the girls just all look young.

Roe bros can look far more imposing and mature than the females (iirc one of the clan's males has a pink-eye tint going on) and the bodies don't match.

Draggo bois get the more beast looking features and also an older man face with more scales, all the females look young.

I'm sure if they ever make Male Viera they will have at least 1 hard/ older looking face even though the females all look like attractive young women.
This is very much the norm.

Now, if you're wondering about height I'd suspect from the art that they're shorter than femroe by a good bit, landing in the area of Thighlander. And that's pretty good considering the tallest Hrothgar males are 4ins shorter than tallest Femroe. So I wouldn't expect them to be super short. (it's hard to gauge things using Femroe cause they have the widest range of heights in the game but I'm more so going off of the decedent's height which seems to be mid range Femroe iirc)

[SturmChurro]

I'd say there's 3 who aren't "restrained or cutesy" (Femroe, Elezen and Thighlander. Aka the 3 least played females ... Thighlanders are the 2nd least played females seemingly because they're not "the cute human option".)
Game design wise they make it hard to make something that isn't attractive/ cute. That's kinda the general vibe of the aesthetic this game has.

Femroe are just plain ugly, but males are also fairly unpopular, if I remember correctly. Male hrothgar did overtake them. Elezen I think would be A LOT more popular if they had better proportions, more attractive faces, and less stiff animations - animations can play a big role. Highlander females, I think you are absolutely right, midlanders just look better, even if they look plain.

I should clarify, in regards to elezen, I meant more as in additional faces. They need more, new face options.

[zeylos]

Femroe are just plain ugly, but males are also fairly unpopular, if I remember correctly. Male hrothgar did overtake them. Elezen I think would be A LOT more popular if they had better proportions, more attractive faces, and less stiff animations - animations can play a big role. Highlander females, I think you are absolutely right, midlanders just look better, even if they look plain.

There are more roegadyn males overall but in active players male hrotgar do surpass them. Personally, I massively disagree that femroes are ugly, and in my opinion they need nothing but better animations to be a really well done race. I trust female hrotgar may offer a similar body type to both roegadyn females and higlanders while adding the bestial elements and hopefull better more polished/detailed animations

[SturmChurro]

There are more roegadyn males overall but in active players male hrotgar do surpass them. Personally, I massively disagree that femroes are ugly, and in my opinion they need nothing but better animations to be a really well done race. I trust female hrotgar may offer a similar body type to both roegadyn females and higlanders while adding the bestial elements and hopefull better more polished/detailed animations

Yeah, more people actually playing as hrothgar. I do see a decent amount of hrothgar running around lately. Roe females, I'd probably play them (on my alt) if I had some heavy armor ideas in mind, and had access to a ton of options. By that I mean, I'd play them as if they were males. Feminine glams just don't work on them, in my opinion. Female Hrothgar probably would be an inbetween, I question their limitations, and I wonder how soft the would make the faces for them.

[zeylos]

Yeah, more people actually playing as hrothgar. I do see a decent amount of hrothgar running around lately. Roe females, I'd probably play them (on my alt) if I had some heavy armor ideas in mind, and had access to a ton of options. By that I mean, I'd play them as if they were males. Feminine glams just don't work on them, in my opinion. Female Hrothgar probably would be an inbetween, I question their limitations, and I wonder how soft the would make the faces for them.

I actually do think it isnt outside the realm of possibility they'll ship male viera and female hrotgar with the same limitations as their counterparts, add a few more hairstyles and hats and call it a day, which I wouldn't like but from a business standpoint does make a decent amount of sense. I wonder how soft the faces would be as well, I imagine sort of like the Bless beast race maybe? Really like those

[reivaxe]

Femroe are just plain ugly, but males are also fairly unpopular, if I remember correctly. Male hrothgar did overtake them. Elezen I think would be A LOT more popular if they had better proportions, more attractive faces, and less stiff animations - animations can play a big role. Highlander females, I think you are absolutely right, midlanders just look better, even if they look plain.

I should clarify, in regards to elezen, I meant more as in additional faces. They need more, new face options.

I've played Femroe for years so I would never call them ugly, but I DO recognize that they have "unconventional beauty". Problem with the devs trying to design a female version of Roe was that Roe were never "pretty/ attractive" and everything that makes them more than just giant humans is "not very attractive human face features".

And this reminds me of back in the day when I was begging for Viera. People would debate if they should be in and point to Femroe and Elezen as proof that "People who play this game don't LIKE or want to PLAY tall females!" and I would point out "NO, people want something that's tall and pretty/ attractive. Elezen have 2 faces, bad proportions and animations because of how poorly the game was made before ARR. Elf races are normally popular AF. Femroe are not giant sexy amazons, they're masculine af" ... and here we are.

TBH I find all this talk of people wanting Female Hrothgar to look masculine (cause their men ... are masculine? O_o) to be virtue signaling af. If many actually wanted to play a masculine female there's no reason Femroe wouldn't be more popular given they have perfectly good proportions and animations as a result of being added in ARR (their animations lack a solid identity imo but for the most part they're no more quirky than most). Their problem is the masculine shape of their body for the most part. As a vet Femroe I know that glam for them is a mini-game within it's self. 60% of all non-gendered tops easily make you look like a dude and MANY female tops make you look like a ... dude wearing a dress. Shockingly most people don't play females to look masculine and I really doubt there's a large group of people willing to play Femroe "but only IF they had an animal head to go along with that body".
I'm sure this is why Female Hrothgar have so lil fanart, people assume they would just be animal headed femroe. This is by no means the same for furry or DnD art depicting females, "furry" has a very deep and populated online culture.


That's why I love the art we have of them in game, they have a shape that's between Thighlanders and Viera. Thinner than Femroe with Narrower waist and shoulders so that they don't have a masculine frame. Faces that look animal like and feminine in a human way. Good stuff if they ever make them...

Long story short- The devs are smart, that's why they made Hrothgar more popular than Roebros by giving them a better body shape. I see no reason for them to repeat the problems people have with Femroe when it's clear as day why they're the least played anything in this game.

As for the rare RARE Female Hrothgar art I find I like this.


Also love how this person injects cute into what I seems to be 1 that's inspired by coeurl


(They also drew these but don't label them as Female Hrothgar. But it's generally furry art with a horn plus they make FF14 commissions and I've yet to find "Furry with a horn" art on their account before 2019 so ehh)