It’s 2021 now and we still do not have Race Restrictions REMOVED from Hempen Clothes

[reivaxe]

The only good thing with "race" specific gear in GW2 is that the charr often get unique outfits for their tails too... on armors and outfits that can be worn by any race. There are otherwise multiple instances of NPC of a race using another races cultural armor, again proving that the restrictions in place are arbitrary.

That's fairly narrow minded. To ME the Sylvari look awkward in reg gear which is why I loved that they made serval sets like this that actually look like they grew out of these plant people. It's a game where even though I played it for years I was content sticking to race/ culture gear for my Sylvari main cause there were so many parts from different sets you could mix and match. Sure, they have added "plant themed" armor that other races can wear but that ultimately adds to sylvari to for someone like me who wants to RP the whole plant origins seeing as they still have a good number of gears only they can wear anyway.

I'd LOVE IT if the Devs made, saaay ... a mid armor set for each race that's customized for their features like the starter gear. Draggos get a helm that's designed around them having horns to make it clear that they have room around the base for their horns and reflects their unique culture. If I had it my way there would be a underwear/ starter gear (what we already have) and Light/ mid/ heavy looking glam armor that are all race themed and locked that really lean into their cultures.

[HyoMinPark]

I find it works beautifully for DNC. Put the Thavnairian sleeves, bunny chief tights and shoes, and the quinterelle hat. That's what I used for my DNC.

I don’t really think that suits the DNC aesthetic by just adding fishnet tights and floofy sleeves. The Thavnarian set on its own fits nicely, but adding the sleeves to a steampunk style body piece doesn’t really do it for me—and I think the styles would come off as too disjointed. I could make the full set work nicely on BRD even though it was nowhere close to archer/ranger style, but it never fit for DNC, imo.

[BlitzAceRush]

And yet they all have the same amount of resources and budget to work with.

Yes, but you're not going to leave one team doing nothing, you'll move them onto their next task, a task they can complete. You're not going to tell your cleaning staff "Oh, you finished moping the floors early? Great! Come on in and do some softwear development!" No, you'll tell them to move onto cleaning the windows or changing out of the trash bins or something else within their skill set.
The g-pose team pumps out things faster because adding to it is easier, not because SE diverts more resources to it.

[GrizzlyTank]

Narrow minded that I'm pointing out the flaws of arbitrarily restrict outfits because "reasons"?

The amount of people here wishing to deprive choice in favor of completely pointless restrictions is depressing to say the least.

I'd LOVE IT if the Devs made, saaay ... a mid armor set for each race that's customized for their features like the starter gear. Draggos get a helm that's designed around them having horns to make it clear that they have room around the base for their horns and reflects their unique culture. If I had it my way there would be a underwear/ starter gear (what we already have) and Light/ mid/ heavy looking glam armor that are all race themed and locked that really lean into their cultures.

We already have this in plenty, but it is mainly restricted to differences for roles as seen with late allagan, Alliance and plenty of other sets where the tank verson got a cloak or extra armor while the ranged or whatever other role that shares a version don't have those... And shocker there are multiple NPC's scattered around using these armors without filling the role restrictions put on us players, aka arbitrary restrictions.

[tdb]

Yeah, but this isnt an "inequality". Every race has one (in terms of racial gear anyway, now that hempen sets aren't race specific due to new races). Inequality means not equal. Its currently pretty equal still.

I'm pretty sure women not being allowed to wear pants was seen as an equality issue in the 1800s and early 1900s, even though everyone was permitted (and even required) to wear clothes in general. In a lot of places it's even been illegal for women to dress as men. Even today men wearing skirts or dresses are seen as weird.

Similarly, if black people were not allowed to wear the same clothes as white people, that would be an equality issue. Different cultures have their own preferred style of clothing, but anyone can wear any clothes if they want.

FFXIV meanwhile outright prohibits certain races from wearing certain styles of clothing (whether through race-locked items or gear which varies its appearance based on who wears it). So yes, I can see that as an equality issue. Not a terribly important one, given the low number of such items, but an equality issue nonetheless.

[reivaxe]

It’s less about them looking good and more about how the sets don’t fit the aesthetic of one (or more) of the three physical ranged jobs. None of the physical ranged sets released have really suited Dancer’s aesthetic. Or Bard. The Neo-Ishgardian set is my favorite released, but it really only can aesthetically play into Machinist with its steampunk style.

I think that's the real underline problem people should be more vocal about.

It's like how Sam and Monk share gear ... these are 2 VERY different styles/ aesthetics that these 2 jobs go for so things can often (most of the time ..) look baaaad on 1 and fit the other.

Ranged often have gear sets that lean more into 1 job and less into the other 2. A military jacket suits Mech well, may look OKish on bard and looks kinda very off on Dnc. The new crafted gear looks better on Dnc imo. Dnc, being the newest, has the most trouble getting ranged gear that matches it. BUT ... A number of Ninja gear would look good for Dnc and a number of ranged gear would work for Ninja. I personally hope they at least start allowing Ninja and ranged gear to be worn by both groups.

[HyoMinPark]

There’s nothing about any of the hempen sets that makes it necessary to have them race-locked, in my opinion. Nothing about the Miqo’te hempen set screams “Miqo’te”—the bottoms are essentially panties that look just like kinds of panties women can buy irl. Are panties suddenly specific only to Miqo’te? Of course not. The Au Ra hempen top looks like a regular pajama top that, again, doesn’t scream “Au Ra” when you look at it. Again, do only Au Ra wear frilly, teddy-esque tops? Again, no. Neither set even makes the bottoms specially accommodate Miqo’te or Au Ra tails, which is one of the defining features of both races.

If there were specific things that tied the hempen sets into the racial starting gear to make them inherently X-race-esque, maybe there would be a point to locking them. But as it is now, nothing about them makes them “special enough” to be racially locked.

[GrizzlyTank]

Again, no. Neither set even makes the bottoms specially accommodate Miqo’te or Au Ra tails, which is one of the defining features of both races.

If there were specific things that tied the hempen sets into the racial starting gear to make them inherently X-race-esque, maybe there would be a point to locking them. But as it is now, nothing about them makes them “special enough” to be racially locked.

And even then they could have gone the GW2 route where the set is the same for all races except that tailed races got unique adornment covering the tail, no actual restrictions on who can wear what (outfit wise, normal armors in GW2 got an issue with seams which is why you can't mix light/medium/heavy).

It's like how Sam and Monk share gear ... these are 2 VERY different styles/ aesthetics that these 2 jobs go for so things can often (most of the time ..) look baaaad on 1 and fit the other.

Both also got job specific outfits no other jobs can wear. And either issues could be resolved easily by... removing arbitrary glamour restrictions.

[HyoMinPark]

And even then they could have gone the GW2 route where the set is the same for all races except that tailed races got unique adornment covering the tail, no actual restrictions on who can wear what (outfit wise, normal armors in GW2 got an issue with seams which is why you can't mix light/medium/heavy).

Honestly, 1.0 gear did a good job of accommodating tailed races in this game. The gear would split for Miqo’te to accommodate their tail, which they took away in ARR and beyond. I believe some pieces also had metal armor covering it, but I could be misremembering. We used to get butt-bows, but those disappeared for a long time. Only recently with the Neo-Ishgardian sets did Miqo’te and Au Ra get the butt bows back to at least give the gear the appearance that it’s been altered for tails (i.e., as if a hole was cut for them).

[ForteNightshade]

There’s nothing about any of the hempen sets that makes it necessary to have them race-locked, in my opinion. Nothing about the Miqo’te hempen set screams “Miqo’te”—the bottoms are essentially panties that look just like kinds of panties women can buy irl. Are panties suddenly specific only to Miqo’te? Of course not. The Au Ra hempen top looks like a regular pajama top that, again, doesn’t scream “Au Ra” when you look at it. Again, do only Au Ra wear frilly, teddy-esque tops? Again, no. Neither set even makes the bottoms specially accommodate Miqo’te or Au Ra tails, which is one of the defining features of both races.

If there were specific things that tied the hempen sets into the racial starting gear to make them inherently X-race-esque, maybe there would be a point to locking them. But as it is now, nothing about them makes them “special enough” to be racially locked.

Additionally, the race specific gear itself has a similar problem.



Why is this unique to Hyurs? What about it screams "Hyur" enough no other race would wear what is essentially a blouse? The only sets you could possibly argue are tailored to a specific race are Au Ra and Viera.