Another patch, another 4-ish months of healer suffering.

[AphraelAmarantha]

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I’m not understanding what this would accomplish. I don’t play savage and ex or any of the difficult stuff. I just play really for the story. Why can’t there be a class that isn’t hard to play and not be complex? Why does there need to be four to six or eight different dps tools? I’m already quite engaged and hard pressed to keep dpsing when there is downtime, especially when there are huge pulls. If I could, I would just be a full healer cuz I suck at dpsing, hence why I don’t play those classes.

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Just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. I wish people would stop relying on this fallacy as a legitimate argument. Let me give you an example of what happened to me in Holminster Switch a few weeks ago.

So Holminster Dwitch for me is one of the harder dungeons for me, along with Mt. Gulg cuz things hit like a truck there. However, normally I don’t have trouble keeping people alive. As normal, I use benediction on the tank pre pull, then follow them as they do their wall to wall pull. Problem tho is that even with regen medica and my going thru all my ogcds, the tank was taking so much damage that he died. After the first boss, we wiped three times to the pull and I told the tank you are taking way too much damage, I don’t know why. Tank argues saying they had three previous groups just now that had no problem so told me to shut it and do your job. So, fourth attempt, wipe again and they decided to ease back on the pulls. I don’t play tank so no idea what was going on. We eventually finish the dungeon after 30 minutes when that’s when he called me trash and said to learn my class and left. Was the calling me trash really necessary? Again, I don’t have problems normally with this dungeon either even tho it’s difficult, so I have no idea why it kept happening. I would go thru regen, benediction, all my ogcds and tank would still die and I’m stuck spamming cure 2. If it was really my fault, what was I doing wrong?

Anyway, my point is, it does happen, even if YOU specifically never see it. There are hundreds of thousands of players that play this game and each one has their experiences, good or bad.

[AngelCheese77]

So I main WHM and though I miss my Aero 3, I don't feel the class is terrible or gutted or anything. Are there any past link or convos that might shed light on such feelings of other healers?

[Mortex]

So I main WHM and though I miss my Aero 3, I don't feel the class is terrible or gutted or anything. Are there any past link or convos that might shed light on such feelings of other healers?

It’s more or less the problem that when you play whm a lot and you try to do better in the dmg uptime you really feel how clunky whm is in comparison too astro. And how little of abilities you have too effectively not clip your ogcds. And healer in general being boring with the 2 button dmg rotation In downtime that is pretty big in the content they provide. No clue why they don’t give healer way more dmg options. Like people don’t dps at the moment when it is a 2 button thing. No one forced you too do dps but people that wanna to it did get the shaft this expansion for whatever reason.

[Mortex]

I’m not understanding what this would accomplish. I don’t play savage and ex or any of the difficult stuff. I just play really for the story. Why can’t there be a class that isn’t hard to play and not be complex? Why does there need to be four to six or eight different dps tools? I’m already quite engaged and hard pressed to keep dpsing when there is downtime, especially when there are huge pulls. If I could, I would just be a full healer cuz I suck at dpsing, hence why I don’t play those classes.


Just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. I wish people would stop relying on this fallacy as a legitimate argument. Let me give you an example of what happened to me in Holminster Switch a few weeks ago.

So Holminster Dwitch for me is one of the harder dungeons for me, along with Mt. Gulg cuz things hit like a truck there. However, normally I don’t have trouble keeping people alive. As normal, I use benediction on the tank pre pull, then follow them as they do their wall to wall pull. Problem tho is that even with regen medica and my going thru all my ogcds, the tank was taking so much damage that he died. After the first boss, we wiped three times to the pull and I told the tank you are taking way too much damage, I don’t know why. Tank argues saying they had three previous groups just now that had no problem so told me to shut it and do your job. So, fourth attempt, wipe again and they decided to ease back on the pulls. I don’t play tank so no idea what was going on. We eventually finish the dungeon after 30 minutes when that’s when he called me trash and said to learn my class and left. Was the calling me trash really necessary? Again, I don’t have problems normally with this dungeon either even tho it’s difficult, so I have no idea why it kept happening. I would go thru regen, benediction, all my ogcds and tank would still die and I’m stuck spamming cure 2. If it was really my fault, what was I doing wrong?

Anyway, my point is, it does happen, even if YOU specifically never see it. There are hundreds of thousands of players that play this game and each one has their experiences, good or bad.

So like you had a bad tank that wasnt using all of his cds and blaming you or having really bad gear those things do happens. But what would change for you when they implement a lot of dps options for healer ?. Like you arent force to dps and can use one button like before and the healer that are playing the job perfect dont die off boredom from having 2 buttons too press in downtime. Like i understand some healer that doesnt wanna do dmg but then ofc you arent forced too dps (except ofc if you go week 1 or ultimates). And like i said having dps options doesnt effect these people

[AphraelAmarantha]

So like you had a bad tank that wasnt using all of his cds and blaming you or having really bad gear those things do happens. But what would change for you when they implement a lot of dps options for healer ?. Like you arent force to dps and can use one button like before and the healer that are playing the job perfect dont die off boredom from having 2 buttons too press in downtime. Like i understand some healer that doesnt wanna do dmg but then ofc you arent forced too dps (except ofc if you go week 1 or ultimates). And like i said having dps options doesnt effect these people

True, it doesn’t effect it but what changes are peoples expectations. If suddenly they gave whm eight dps tools and a specific rotation and meter management, players expectations are going to change to “better be using that whole dps rotation, meter etc etc or you are trash and will vote kick.” Also, i’m one of those where I try to play optimally despite my limits so yeah for me it would change. If whm got more complex, I would be forced to drop playing the class (perhaps the game entirely unless they provide a much easier healer class to play) which would be unfortunate because I like the story. Best ff in years storywise.

[Reksanden]

True, it doesn’t effect it but what changes are peoples expectations. If suddenly they gave whm eight dps tools and a specific rotation and meter management, players expectations are going to change to “better be using that whole dps rotation, meter etc etc or you are trash and will vote kick.” Also, i’m one of those where I try to play optimally despite my limits so yeah for me it would change. If whm got more complex, I would be forced to drop playing the class (perhaps the game entirely unless they provide a much easier healer class to play) which would be unfortunate because I like the story. Best ff in years storywise.

WHM really hasn't changed all that much DPS-wise since HW, besides dropping Aero 3 and maybe some other potential crossclass stuff that's slipped my mind - and now you don't even have to stance-dance with Cleric Stance to do damage! Even Fluid Aura was fun to play with - I'd punt ranged mobs into the AoE pack if they weren't knockback immune.

It always was, and always will be the easiest healer to play - with WHM, folks just want those few extra buttons it lost back, as compared to the entire identities of AST and SCH. At most you'd be upkeeping another DoT; one that is arguably easier to use in any pull bigger than one mob since it was AoE.

[Absurdity]

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So your anecdote is somehow more correct than mine? Kk.

And of course you will get those people, that wouldn't change even if they reduced every job to 3 buttons. You could be playing perfectly and still meet some tank or dps with an inflated ego and no actual clue about their job that calls you trash, how well you play your job or how complex it is rarely has any influence because these people are looking for a scapegoat to distract from their own terrible performance.

[Dogempire]

True, it doesn’t effect it but what changes are peoples expectations. If suddenly they gave whm eight dps tools and a specific rotation and meter management, players expectations are going to change to “better be using that whole dps rotation, meter etc etc or you are trash and will vote kick.” Also, i’m one of those where I try to play optimally despite my limits so yeah for me it would change. If whm got more complex, I would be forced to drop playing the class (perhaps the game entirely unless they provide a much easier healer class to play) which would be unfortunate because I like the story. Best ff in years storywise.

I mean used to be that scholar was the complicated class, and WHM was the beginner healing class.

Now they're all beginner classes which leaves nothing for the more skilled players except more boring filler spam and weaving issues.

[Absurdity]

I mean used to be that scholar was the complicated class, and WHM was the beginner healing class.

Now they're all beginner classes which leaves nothing for the more skilled players except more boring filler spam and weaving issues.

I have to agree with WHM mains there though, why does their job have to be the "beginner" one? Because it's toolkit never allowed them to be anything else? So because it's "tradition"? Every healer is a "beginner healer" when you're...well, a beginner. You simply won't make full use of their toolkit when you start out healing, the argument that WHM simply shouldn't have an interesting toolkit so "beginners" never have to learn anything in the first place is just baffling.

What is however indeed even more baffling is that their solution to this was to bring the other two healers down instead of bringing WHM up.

[Dogempire]

I have to agree with WHM mains there though, why does their job have to be the "beginner" one? Because it's toolkit never allowed them to be anything else? So because it's "tradition"? Every healer is a "beginner healer" when you're...well, a beginner. You simply won't make full use of their toolkit when you start out healing, the argument that WHM simply shouldn't have an interesting toolkit so "beginners" never have to learn anything in the first place is just baffling.

What is however indeed even more baffling is that their solution to this was to bring the other two healers down instead of bringing WHM up.

It was a "beginner" healer because it was more straightforward, it didn't have gimmicks like scholar did with pet management and shields, and AST with its cards with the variety of buffs they offered. WHM just had a straightforward rotation and raw healing output. There's nothing wrong with that, if anything that's healthy because there are "easy" dps classes (I.E. RDM and MCH) and "easy" tank classes (WAR and PLD)