Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Lynesse]

Snip.

When this happens to me, I just remember back to when Van Arn said he was proud of me for it. It sounds stupid, but I think about people who have shown me love, and it helps.

Everyone becomes my captive audience as they're forced to watch! Rah! xP

[Spiriel_Basanda]

Haven't posted in this thread in ages, but it's been that long since I had a terrible run.

Needed 30 tomes to cap for the week so I ran lvl 80 roulette just for something different, and of course I land in Amaurot. No big deal, we'll wrap this up quick. Wrong. Party was me on MCH, SMN, GNB and WHM.

GNB nicely asks if big pulls are acceptable or not, annnnnnnnnd WHM says no. Joy. Single pulls it is! It'll take a little longer, but w/e. I don't really mind too much. Then the pulls actually start happening. Very similar to Cincierta's experience, this WHM never cast a single Holy the entire run, and I think only cast Glare on the last boss a couple of times. He also spammed Cure 1 relentlessly, with a couple Medica 2's peppered in from time to time. That was fantastic by itself, but there's more!

The GNB just had issues keeping hate, and I honestly have no idea how. For the most part it was okay, but despite having tank stance on, on the pulls with more then 3 monsters in it, mobs kept ping ponging between us all. It got so bad the SMN started complaining about getting aggro, and asked if the GNB had been using AoE. GNB said yes, and I did see a few but I can only assume it was one or two at the start and then proceeding to use the ST rotation while there's 3-6 mobs up at once.

We nearly wiped on the first boss, the GNB being the only one left alive when it died. Second boss had no real issues, but ye gods, we wiped twice on the last boss. Twice. I honestly don't know what the problem was, but the WHM just decided he didn't want to live anymore, and one time I saw the SMN run off the platform about halfway through the fight when we were all still alive. At least that was really the only noticeable bad thing I saw from the SMN, other then that the SMN was excellent and knew how to rez people.

All in all, I dumped 50 minutes-ish into that run. That's right, I could've run Amaurot twice with Trusts for far less aggravation and more tomes in the amount of time it took to complete that one roulette. Sad. Play in the DF long enough eventually you'll get burned, I suppose.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

...That was fantastic by itself, but there's more!

The GNB just had issues keeping hate, and I honestly have no idea how. For the most part it was okay, but despite having tank stance on, on the pulls with more then 3 monsters in it, mobs kept ping ponging between us all. It got so bad the SMN started complaining about getting aggro, and asked if the GNB had been using AoE. GNB said yes, and I did see a few but I can only assume it was one or two at the start and then proceeding to use the ST rotation while there's 3-6 mobs up at once.

This. I’m guilty of falling into this “trap”.
First few levels into ShB contents leveling as a GNB, I kept forgetting that [Fated Circle] exist & proceed on using ST cartridge combo. But having aggro stolen...? That takes an unrealistically good AoEing dps to actually do that (which is quite uncommon in DF parties), or a snoozy-sleepy tank that don’t keep their GCD rolling.

Speaking of Cure 1 and occasional Medica 2 WHM, I happened to meet their SCH incarnation hours ago in... Puppets’ Bunker via roulette (rerunning to help a friend).

Rolled in as a SCH myself, personally I never liked getting matched with same healers into any 8-man parties (looking at two other alliance both having double WHM). But hoo well. Here we go.

I kid you not.
The sound effect of [Physick] being spammed was super irritating. Even more so because this SCH ignored my [Fey Union] & [Excogitation]s. Adlos are thrown here & there unnecessarily.
Raidwide? I pop [Whispering Dawn].
Then what do I hear next? Yep. [Succor]s and a lot of succors and more succors! Didn’t even let the shields does their job. It’s one after another until everybody’s topped up 100%. There goes my regen ticks.
You know what? I’ll just be a Broil Mage. Eos will do the rest.

The only time I saw that [Broil III] being casted or hearing [Art of War] sound effect was the robo adds before the last boss.

*brb cleaning my eardrum*

[SturmChurro]

GNB nicely asks if big pulls are acceptable or not, annnnnnnnnd WHM says no. Joy. Single pulls it is!

I feel like I'd get banned if I did this, but one of these days I think it'd be hilarious to be like "too bad" after they say "no". It would probably lead to some shenanigans.

Really though, I do pull big whether they like it or not, and I don't say anything at all. I'll pull small if we wipe twice, first time doesn't necessarily mean the rest of the run will suck.

this WHM never cast a single Holy the entire run, and I think only cast Glare on the last boss a couple of times. He also spammed Cure 1 relentlessly, with a couple Medica 2's peppered in from time to time. That was fantastic by itself, but there's more!

The GNB just had issues keeping hate, and I honestly have no idea how. For the most part it was okay, but despite having tank stance on, on the pulls with more then 3 monsters in it, mobs kept ping ponging between us all. It got so bad the SMN started complaining about getting aggro, and asked if the GNB had been using AoE. GNB said yes, and I did see a few but I can only assume it was one or two at the start and then proceeding to use the ST rotation while there's 3-6 mobs up at once.

We nearly wiped on the first boss, the GNB being the only one left alive when it died. Second boss had no real issues, but ye gods, we wiped twice on the last boss. Twice. I honestly don't know what the problem was, but the WHM just decided he didn't want to live anymore, and one time I saw the SMN run off the platform about halfway through the fight when we were all still alive. At least that was really the only noticeable bad thing I saw from the SMN, other then that the SMN was excellent and knew how to rez people.

All in all, I dumped 50 minutes-ish into that run. That's right, I could've run Amaurot twice with Trusts for far less aggravation and more tomes in the amount of time it took to complete that one roulette. Sad. Play in the DF long enough eventually you'll get burned, I suppose.

You are lucky you even had a SMN, someone other than the healer who can raise during the fight. I've had runs in Amaurot... did I post this here? I can't remember. I actually had a recent (well a few weeks ago) run of Amaurot where the healer refused to revive unless we explained the mechanics. Nobody did, and we all left.

Weird that a bunch of people seem to not know how to play WHM lately.

[Frizze]

To be fair the third variants (with light effects) are a lot easier than the first two, since there's nothing hidden. You can dodge them entirely based on the ground AoE markers, and there's ample time to do so. The fire and lightning variants of the line AoE in particular are dangerous since there's no hints of what to do before the mechanic goes off.

Totally agree that the light variant is the easiest, just thought it was funny them announcing that they thought they got it just as it started to change. And considering how many more times i saw them fail the dodges, they really didnt have it yet. Still not a big deal.

I feel like I'd get banned if I did this, but one of these days I think it'd be hilarious to be like "too bad" after they say "no". It would probably lead to some shenanigans.

In Spiriel's specific example that would have just lead to some more wipes. That party comp looks fine for AoE, but the healer described would 100% be underwater and failing to keep up. With that said, it might have been for the best. Do you ever learn to be a good healer(same applies to tanks too) if everyone goes one enemy at a time and you never need to push yourself? Theres no training dummy you can use to practice healing a nasty pull, or managing aggro/aoes on 9 enemies.

[Barwara]

I'd like people to be less scared about giving advice, I've learned a lot from other players. It's been very valuable to me despite trying to educate myself through videos and guides. To those giving advice: I'm sure in the long run you benefit more people than you annoy/anger. Plus, let's face it, even if you have a bad experience in a dungeon, you most likely (?) will not see that/those players again or anytime soon.

[SturmChurro]

I don't wanna sound like I think am owed anything, but when I have been healing my heart out, saved people, saved runs, for the past few days... I almost feel like I should be receiving some commendations, but I receive none. Ever. I don't think I've gone through this kind of commendation drought for a long time. Is it because people don't see me casting cure 1 on my castbar? I try to always commendate somebody, even DPS.

In Spiriel's specific example that would have just lead to some more wipes. That party comp looks fine for AoE, but the healer described would 100% be underwater and failing to keep up. With that said, it might have been for the best. Do you ever learn to be a good healer(same applies to tanks too) if everyone goes one enemy at a time and you never need to push yourself? Theres no training dummy you can use to practice healing a nasty pull, or managing aggro/aoes on 9 enemies.

In that example, it looks like the healer decided they could just sit back and twiddle their thumbs, do nothing, pretty much. I do think players should be exposed to larger pulls, apparently SE wants people to heal more, people should have to heal more, properly, in my opinion. So, I definitely agree with you on the learning aspect.

[Dogempire]

I don't wanna sound like I think am owed anything, but when I have been healing my heart out, saved people, saved runs, for the past few days... I almost feel like I should be receiving some commendations, but I receive none. Ever. I don't think I've gone through this kind of commendation drought for a long time. Is it because people don't see me casting cure 1 on my castbar? I try to always commendate somebody, even DPS.

Honestly hard to say, I usually get comms when I tank as long as I'm friendly and don't cause any mess-ups when pulling wall to wall, but I only really comm people if they stand out in some way.

Only advice I can really give ya is to stop worrying about comms and focus on making sure the run goes as smoothly as possible instead, you'll get plenty of comms if you just do that and be friendly.

[Dogempire]

I'd like people to be less scared about giving advice, I've learned a lot from other players. It's been very valuable to me despite trying to educate myself through videos and guides. To those giving advice: I'm sure in the long run you benefit more people than you annoy/anger. Plus, let's face it, even if you have a bad experience in a dungeon, you most likely (?) will not see that/those players again or anytime soon.

I think it kind of depends on how you give the advice. Like if you have a tank that's having trouble with large pulls, instead of saying "Use your cds more" just say "If you're having trouble mitigating then you can use arms length as extra mitigation" or something along those lines.

People don't like being told what to do but they'll be more receptive about what they can do differently.

[Vahlnir]

Only advice I can really give ya is to stop worrying about comms and focus on making sure the run goes as smoothly as possible instead, you'll get plenty of comms if you just do that and be friendly.

That's how I go about it. I focus on myself and make sure I do what is needed. Sometimes I get commendations, sometimes I don't. I do feel Sturm's pain though. There are runs where I'm like "man, I should have gotten at least a little praise!" and I get none. But I guess the satisfaction is mostly in knowing that my efforts made the clear possible. On the other hand, there are runs where I walk out of there thinking I could have done better. We all have those from time to time.