Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[SturmChurro]

Should just play WoW if you want to freely abuse people who aren’t as into a video game as you.

If you genuinely want to help someone and give them advice I’m sure there’s ways to do it that won’t result in you being banned.

"Abuse".

There are ways, that's where "passive-aggressiveness" comes in.

[LogicHatesMe]

It's not just the game, it's 2020, you can't have a conversation with anyone without fear of offending them

[Mavrias]

Should just play WoW if you want to freely abuse people who aren’t as into a video game as you.

If you genuinely want to help someone and give them advice I’m sure there’s ways to do it that won’t result in you being banned.

Calling someone out on their performance is not abuse. You should be called out if your performance is negatively impacting the group.

[Frizze]

It's not just the game, it's 2020, you can't have a conversation with anyone without fear of offending them

If you know someone IRL you cant talk to without offending them, why on earth would you talk to them? What would be the point? If i have to pretend to be someone else to be around you, i choose not to be around you. You arent worth it. No one is.

[LogicHatesMe]

If you know someone IRL you cant talk to without offending them, why on earth would you talk to them? What would be the point? If i have to pretend to be someone else to be around you, i choose not to be around you. You arent worth it. No one is.

Oh no I have the same belief, which is possibly why I have no actual friends and prefer my own company (I mean I'm a veritable cornucopia of unpopular opinions lol). It's mainly an online thing though. Even if someone is offended IRL they generally don't show it, or they don't address it in the conversation, but online, it's a different story.

[tdb]

If you know someone IRL you cant talk to without offending them, why on earth would you talk to them? What would be the point? If i have to pretend to be someone else to be around you, i choose not to be around you. You arent worth it. No one is.

Well, if you know someone IRL, you probably (1) have some idea of what offends them and (2) can apologize and talk it out if you accidentally do offend. Giving feedback to a bad player in DF is more like some random stranger parking their car so it takes up two parking spaces, you telling them off for it, and then they just blow up in your face.

[Rilifane]

Calling me out like "elli you need to heal a lot more here, we keep dying to unavoidables" or "elli aoe in big pulls. they're taking forever if you keep using single target skills" is not abuse. It's stating a fact and well-deserved. I'm more annoyed by people white-knighting me in such situatins with "nooo it's fiiine, no reason to get toxic". If I sleep on my job and someone's giving me a reality check, I'm better for it.
Although I usually try to contribute as much as I can in every way possible, sometimes I have my days when I just don't notice the nonsense I'm doing.

I know people love playing the "just play wow lul there you have your fellow toxic abusers" card but, come on. You can easily call someone out without being abusive at all.
I don't know why some people can only think in black and white and you're either a fluffy white knight that protects everyone or a bad, toxic wow player.

Had a prime example yesterday when I was leveling an alt.
We pulled the last boss in Dzemael and the MCH just stood there doing auto attacks. Literally nothing else. Just constantly autos on the boss. No message in party chat and often stood around during the run.
When the tank said "X use ur skills pls dont afk in boss fights" the other dps replied with "chill he prob busy" and they got into a discussion that you shouldn't queue if you're going to be busy and give everyone a quick heads up in party chat if something urgent came up while the dps kept saying that it's just a leveling dungeon, they should chill and that there's no reason to get toxic.
It would be different if the tank said something like "what an asshole, afking in a boss fight. X, gtfo, I don't carry useless afkers" but that wasn't the case.

[Ammokkx]

Man, this discussion is going around in circles.

In the spirit of the thread, I'll give my two cents on the matter by account of one of my own Duty Finder experiences.

Levelling Roulette, get Copperbell. Two sprouts and a return flower. We get to the second boss and someone kills the blasting fuse. Both me and the tank go "don't kill fuse" and "Don't attack the bomb" or something to that effect, right?

But then we get to the second bomb and, while it does get to go off this time, one of the sprouts had still been attacking it.

I said "DON'T kill the fuse."

The tank said "don't kill the bomb"
"two times"
"fcking dumb"

at that point I jumped in again and went "Whoa hey, no need to be rude about it" and the tank went "two times lol." After which, I reply with "nothing 'lol' about being rude, my man"

Shortly after the tank apologised, said he had been having a bad day and the rest of the run was smooth like butter. No further issues.

I say all this because I want to highlight what I personally think is appropriate behaviour. Pointing out what they're doing wrong and telling them not to do it, or to do something else? yeah, I don't think that should be outlawed. However, the moment you start personally attacking someone over it, i.e. fcking dumb, is where you cross a line. I don't think you should always be polite, chat needs to happen quickly, but you shouldn't be insulting someone over it. There's any number of reasons why they could've done it, maybe they didn't understand the instructions or something.

If the player keeps being a problem there are ways to deal with them, such as vote kick. There is never a reason to result to putting someone else down for bad play, but it is our collective duty to point out said bad play and offer advice to help them improve.

[SturmChurro]

It would be different if the tank said something like "what an..., afking in a boss fight. .. I don't carry useless afkers" but that wasn't the case.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this. But yeah, I generally agree you can call someone out without it being "abuse". I think that word gets thrown around too often these days.

Yes, I know the irony of me editing this quote. However, the mods will happily ban you for any usage of certain curse words. Even if they aren't the full word. Trust me. I've been banned here before for it.

[TheMightyMollusk]

If you know someone IRL you cant talk to without offending them, why on earth would you talk to them? What would be the point? If i have to pretend to be someone else to be around you, i choose not to be around you. You arent worth it. No one is.

I take it you've never worked retail. Dealing with people who are determined to be offended and ignore all attempts to help them is part of the job description.