MSQ Needs Further Condensing

[Tuska]

Cash shop noise

We aren't talking about cash shop items are we? We're talking about pruning/making the story non mandatory. If you would like to discuss that feel free to let me know.

If you don't do quests you aren't playing the game

Spamming through quests is not "playing through the game" a person still has to go from lvl 1 to max level, that is playing through the game. Regardless of if it's spamming through quests, mob grinding or dungeon grinding getting to max level is playing through the game.

BDO has very little story, people still go from lvl 1 to past soft level cap which takes longer than anything in this game, with only doing a few quests max. Did they not play through the game? Is that game not a mmo? How do you guys think people are playing other mmos with optional story? That are all doing better than XIV player base wise?

Making it optional does not hurt anyone, at all or else every other mmo on the market would be dead and gone. The amount of MSQ had to be a problem, hence them removing some of it, one thing businesses will not do is extra work if it doesn't benefit them at all. The retention rate had to be horrible and the feedback had to reflect too many MSQ to get caught up.


Also most people know they will have to catch up is one thing to gate them with story (long ques if dps which is out of their control) and another to gate with actual progression which is what most people play mmos for...progression.

[Ammokkx]

Irrelevant nonsense

Why yes, I agree.

EDIT: since the above post got edited, for anyone in future:

The reason I put that there is because Tuska had originally quoted LaylaTsarra's post like I just quoted the above post. Now that that bit of context is lost, feels like I should put this disclaimer here so I'm not just being a dick for no reason.

[LaylaTsarra]

We aren't talking about cash shop items are we? We're talking about pruning/making the story non mandatory. If you would like to discuss that feel free to let me know.

Read my post more carefully.

[Tuska]

Read my post more carefully.

Nah, people are discussing pruning and/or making the MSQ non mandatory and the first thing is cAsH sHoP. It's not ridiculous for people to want a mmo, that's marketed as a mmo to operate like a mmo without paying $25 (Idr the actual price) extra on top of a sub game. If the first thing you can say after reading the stuff people have posted is "cash shop" you didn't have anything of value to add to the conversation and we can leave it at that.

[LaylaTsarra]

Free Skip Noise.

Oh i did. I certainly did address the issue of pruning the msq's. Your pushing your free skips isn't flying in spite of your snarky remarks. They will never make the story non mandatory in this game.

[Masked-dingus]

Nah, people are discussing pruning and/or making the MSQ non mandatory and the first thing is cAsH sHoP. It's not ridiculous for people to want a mmo, that's marketed as a mmo to operate like a mmo without paying $25 (Idr the actual price) extra on top of a sub game. If the first thing you can say after reading the stuff people have posted is "cash shop" you didn't have anything of value to add to the conversation and we can leave it at that.

Except you will never have free skips in ffXIV, SE has noticed that a lot of people will pay for the actual cashshop skips, and they want money, so as long as you will have people paying for skips, you will never have an optional MSQ

[glitteringcosmos]

Spamming through quests is not "playing through the game" a person still has to go from lvl 1 to max level, that is playing through the game. Regardless of if it's spamming through quests, mob grinding or dungeon grinding getting to max level is playing through the game.

Also in response to this response supposedly quoting me saying: "If you don't do quests you aren't playing the game" -- I never wrote that. Go back and reread all of my comments. Not once did I say that. I'm here to discuss and debate all you want, but DON'T distort what was said to fit your narrative.

[kaynide]

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Kind of echoing what’s been said, but to reiterate: SE cares very deeply about story, and want people to experience it. They made it very clear when they removed the option to skip cutscenes in the final two 8-man dungeons of 2.0. They don’t want players penalized by wanting to see the story (ie get left behind). If you don’t want to do story content, you can pay so skip it. If you still don’t want to and/or don’t want to pay, why are you playing?

This isn’t meant as a “don’t like it, then leave!!” statement, but rather a request to take a look at the game situation and if you are enjoying some aspect, then great! But if you’re hating it, there are other games that are much better in some aspects or another and maybe try them out? Myself, I check in but I’m kinda done until the next expansion. I could do an alt, or I could catch up on Guildwars or finally dig into Sekiro...

If you are talking about a rush to endgame “where the game really starts” in most MMOs, this one not so much. The end game content has always been fun, but lackluster in the long term.