There should be no penalty for leaving a bad party after 15 minutes.

[JamieRose]

You know I usually weather these kinds of situations, but when 7 people are blaming me for the whole thing going bad when they're wasting LB3s to do damage on a boss with over 50% health left when 5 people are dead and I'm having to spend all my time rezzing or being rezzed because E9N mechs punish you for standing still and yet still it's somehow my fault, then I think I might be justified in not wanting to put up with that crap after inevitable wipe occurs.

There, that's my full side of the story. Y'all can go back to gainsaying me for the sake gainsaying as you always do.

[Vahlnir]

You know I usually weather these kinds of situations, but when 7 people are blaming me for the whole thing going bad when they're wasting LB3s to do damage on a boss with over 50% health left when 5 people are dead and I'm having to spend all my time rezzing or being rezzed because E9N mechs punish you for standing still and yet still it's somehow my fault, then I think I might be justified in not wanting to put up with that crap after inevitable wipe occurs.

There, that's my full side of the story. Y'all can go back to gainsaying me for the sake gainsaying as you always do.

I don't think anyone is saying that you were wrong to leave. I'd have probably left too at that point. But 30 minutes to wait and try again really isn't the end of the world. If anything, I'd use that 30 minutes to cool off. I'd suggest doing that. You are clearly upset about this. Might not be a bad idea to walk away from the PC, maybe watch something on your favorite streaming service if you have one. You'll feel better.

[Liam_Harper]

You know I usually weather these kinds of situations, but when 7 people are blaming me for the whole thing going bad when they're wasting LB3s to do damage on a boss with over 50% health left when 5 people are dead and I'm having to spend all my time rezzing or being rezzed because E9N mechs punish you for standing still and yet still it's somehow my fault

We went over this when you started your thread complaining about Unreal parties being incompetent. There is probably a reason the entire party mysteriously blamed you and one glance at a website we shall not name confirms it. It very likely is you. I don't mean that in an abusive or judgmental way, more to help, otherwise you'll keep running into the same problem.

[Frizze]

You know I usually weather these kinds of situations, but when 7 people are blaming me for the whole thing going bad when they're wasting LB3s to do damage on a boss with over 50% health left when 5 people are dead and I'm having to spend all my time rezzing or being rezzed because E9N mechs punish you for standing still and yet still it's somehow my fault, then I think I might be justified in not wanting to put up with that crap after inevitable wipe occurs.

There, that's my full side of the story. Y'all can go back to gainsaying me for the sake gainsaying as you always do.

No need to "gainsay" you. That sounds like a group i wouldnt have wanted to be in either. When content is this new and you have an unfamiliar group holding a LB incase the healers need it to put the group back together after some screw up is highly advisable. And getting mad after a single wipe is silly. Mistakes happen. But no, changing the rules on abandoning a duty is a bad idea. If they dont want to kick or abandon and you dont want to be there, you take a 30 mins crafting/gathering/smoking/whatever break. It helps you calm down, and it gets you away from a bad situation.

We went over this when you started your thread complaining about Unreal parties being incompetent. There is probably a reason the entire party mysteriously blamed you and one glance at a website we shall not name confirms it. It very likely is you. I don't mean that in an abusive or judgmental way, more to help, otherwise you'll keep running into the same problem.

Im like 25% willing to give Jamie the benefit of the doubt here just because the fight is still very new. For sure, certain past issues will likely continue to be a problem if they havent been or arent soon addressed, but if the group is truly wasting a limit that brazenly this early into a cycle then its hard to lay blame. You know, if that isnt an exaggerated version of events to claim victimhood. Though, now that ive typed that out... im trying to picture how you get to an LB3 in less then the first half of the fight. And with 3 people standing and the boss not close to dead, how anyone other then a healer would press the button unless no healer was standing. Ok, lets say im more like 12.5% willing to give benefit of the doubt. But not 0 yet. Not for another week anyway.

[ForteNightshade]

Im like 25% willing to give Jamie the benefit of the doubt here just because the fight is still very new. For sure, certain past issues will likely continue to be a problem if they havent been or arent soon addressed, but if the group is truly wasting a limit that brazenly this early into a cycle then its hard to lay blame. You know, if that isnt an exaggerated version of events to claim victimhood. Though, now that ive typed that out... im trying to picture how you get to an LB3 in less then the first half of the fight. And with 3 people standing and the boss not close to dead, how anyone other then a healer would press the button unless no healer was standing. Ok, lets say im more like 12.5% willing to give benefit of the doubt. But not 0 yet. Not for another week anyway.

To be fair, OP is notorious for creating thread decrying how horrible x piece of content is, how everyone hates them and etc. Which is why Liam and others have approached this thread with a healthy dose of skepticism.

With that all said, the system itself is fine. If we take this scenario at face value. Thirty minutes isn't long at all. If the party is rude enough you don't want to be apart of it, take the penalty (unfairly or not) and do something else. There just isn't a reasonable way for the devs to program subjective variables. If all it took was a failed Vote Abandon to let you leave penalty free, guess what everyone starts doing?

[Frizze]

This statement is the indirect reason players will never get an official DPS parser in-game.

Maybe. But you dont need a parser, official or otherwise, to recognize a 0 DPS Healer that isnt even keeping up on heals. Such a player will attract attention to themself just through normal play, and naturally be revealed as a hindrance to clearing anything even slightly difficult.

To be fair, OP is notorious for creating thread decrying how horrible x piece of content is, how everyone hates them and etc. Which is why Liam and others have approached this thread with a healthy dose of skepticism.

With that all said, the system itself is fine. If we take this scenario at face value. Thirty minutes isn't long at all. If the party is rude enough you don't want to be apart of it, take the penalty (unfairly or not) and do something else. There just isn't a reasonable way for the devs to program subjective variables. If all it took was a failed Vote Abandon to let you leave penalty free, guess what everyone starts doing?

I am actually aware of their history. I have argued against them in several threads over the last year or so. Thats why i was ultimately only 12.5% willing to give benefit of the doubt. Its possible for a "troublesome" player to also end up paired with jerks that make things worse. The best of healers can struggle if the group is bad enough. The fight is still new. You know, all the standard stuff. But yeah, the penalty is fine. And if the group was really as bad as we're led to believe, the time to cool down might have been needed to avoid going into the next run tilted anyway.

[DPZ2]

There is probably a reason the entire party mysteriously blamed you and one glance at a website we shall not name confirms it. It very likely is you. I don't mean that in an abusive or judgmental way, more to help, otherwise you'll keep running into the same problem.

This statement is the indirect reason players will never get an official DPS parser in-game.

[tdb]

This statement is the indirect reason players will never get an official DPS parser in-game.

Yes, because it's unthinkable that the bad players get actual evidence that they're bad. If you're playing multiplayer content, you should have the decency of being interested enough to reach at least basic competence, and a good combat parser can help with that. There are downsides as well (elitism and discrimination) but I'm not sure they outweigh the upsides.

[lolicon09]

This statement is the indirect reason players will never get an official DPS parser in-game.

To be fair, you don't need a parser to notice someone wearing low ilvl gear, or ice mages, or red mages hardcasting verthunder/veraero, or tanks not using their defensive skills (or use all of them at the same time just to have nothing later), and other similar stuff

[MsQi]

We went over this when you started your thread complaining about Unreal parties being incompetent. There is probably a reason the entire party mysteriously blamed you and one glance at a website we shall not name confirms it. It very likely is you. I don't mean that in an abusive or judgmental way, more to help, otherwise you'll keep running into the same problem.

"I don't mean my judgment to be taken as judgmental" People judge all the time, trying to lamely nullify it doesn't change it.

This could be construed as "calling out" and is usually considered a bad thing.

I also recommend people who don't want this to happen to have themselves hidden on that site.