MNK Rework is a great start

[ssunny2008]

If i read everything here, i highly doubt that anyone of you guys is a decent savage player or have even played monk the last half year. Monk has changed and not for the best when we talk about raids. Everything else is not even worth to talk about since dungeons or other stuff are pretty much "no brainer" anyway.

So what is so good actually?

- Less movement speed since you´ve to stuck on fists of fire, which makes mechanics and positionals harder and that on the only melee class without a descent escape / backjump, which needs the highest boss uptime with less than 2s GCD?
- To spam RoE every 6s to have even a chance to do positional - damage in a lot of mechanics especially in the new raids? Meanwhile the 10% dmg.red. becomes pretty much useless?
- To have a pretty much overfilled opener with all the off gcd´s and random proccs?

I guess that´s NOT good.

All you care about is, that GL is gone. What was the issue with it? A cutszene? Improvisation and it was up pretty fast again. And if you died... well... you died. It´s not the games fault that you died obviously.
Maintaining GL was a completely standard function if you played your rotation and used button X in moment X aka anatman or seven sided star. What was so hard? Yet we have a button spamming class without a soul, which is pretty horrible to play in the new raids and i don´t even want to try E8s with its mechanics where 30s RoE was pretty much needed. Slower movement + boss dancing + RoE spamming + rotation, yeah thx square enix, well played....
All what you see is: "Yey no more form shift in dungeons or losing stacks when i die.", but that´s definately not all.

Imagine SE would´ve implemented a stack-safe-option for cutszenes instead of doing some horrible changes, we would still have a smooth class instead of that a clunky buttonspammer. And calling it a "decent ground for 6.0" or whatever, yeah... a patch which comes in 8 or 9 months, maybe even later? Good to reveal this unfinished "rework" for the last tier of shadowbringers. Brainless button smashing is sooo muuuuch fuuuun.

[IruruCece]

If i read everything here, i highly doubt that anyone of you guys is a decent savage player or have even played monk the last half year.

Look, I'm not a huge fan of the GL change, but uh, the OP themselves is far from an incompetent raider or a bad player of the job based on their youtube, and doubtless there are plenty of players here who feel the same.

It's a divisive change, and there are folks like me who don't like it, but there are also folks who do like it. There are plenty of legitimate arguments for both. At the end of the day, it's happened, and players will have to figure it out and deal with whatever comes next.

[ssunny2008]

Look, I'm not a huge fan of the GL change, but uh, the OP themselves is far from an incompetent raider or a bad player of the job based on their youtube, and doubtless there are plenty of players here who feel the same.

It's a divisive change, and there are folks like me who don't like it, but there are also folks who do like it. There are plenty of legitimate arguments for both. At the end of the day, it's happened, and players will have to figure it out and deal with whatever comes next.

There were mostly only 2 arguments against the monk, positionals and GL. Both got pretty hard improved with SHB, especially with GL4. But ppl still complained for whatever reason instead of picking another class when monk is obviously not their favorite.
And yes, it happened, but such things need to stop. It´s a good game and has a lot to offer, but forcing everything to be "braindead" is a no go. There are enough classes and SE could easily design different tiers into them like "dragoon = easy, samurai = mediocre, monk= hard" to play to cater the whole audience. But instead of doing that, everything just become easier in easier, classes, content, pretty much everything.
Everyone who really wanted to play a decent monk, could´ve read the skills, test stuff by themself, adjust to boss fights or go to google.com and check 1000 guides to learn and improve.

If something isn´t fun or to hard for you, why would you force it to change when you´ve 16 other options? Monk might have been always a bit in struggle before, but again, SHB monk with PB, RoE, SSS, Anatman, form shift and especially GL4 was fine.

[VentVanitas]

If i read everything here, i highly doubt that anyone of you guys is a decent savage player or have even played monk the last half year.

Thanks, we all needed a laugh.

[Ryaz]

Thanks, we all needed a laugh.

Yeah, dude has 15 posts since 2014 and uses most of them to insult the "casuals" and other players. Probably won't be last long. He'll get bored after he's done berating everyone and flexing how great he s compared to everyone else.

Monk does need some more tweaks, which will hopefully come in the next expected with a better rework.

[ssunny2008]

Yeah, dude has 15 posts since 2014 and uses most of them to insult the "casuals" and other players. Probably won't be last long. He'll get bored after he's done berating everyone and flexing how great he s compared to everyone else.

Monk does need some more tweaks, which will hopefully come in the next expected with a better rework.

If you feel that insulted, because i highly doubt that anyone of the pre-commentors is a decent savage player or have played monk the last half year, than it´s completely up to you, you know?

But that some guys think, that losing FoW, the new RoE and a high speed button smashing opener are an improvement right now, shows me a lot about their game-knowledge. I would bet that the most players actually will die, because FoW is gone and that they don´t know "when to use SSS", otherwise they´re going to lose a lot of damage.
The 5.3 monk gave you more time to keep your off gcd´s rolling in the opener, you were much faster in movement ALWAYS and RoE let you easily play certain boss mechanics. All this is gone.