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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Needing 8 people doesn't mean you have to rush, so a delay would just mean a delay. If you can wait 1 or 2 weeks to do Savage, then you can wait for people to all be ready without needing to rush, which shouldn't take even a week.
    People take time off work to join in the raid. Being part of a raid team means you’re accountable for not wasting their time as much as not wasting your own. A delay is a positive thing like countless people have said, it allows people to make sure they’re using and actually enjoying the content the devs have spent time to make. That’s not to mention time allowed to sort out crafting, prep for raids etc etc. Arguing against a delay “cos you don’t like it” isn’t a valid argument at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoFeru View Post
    Because it doesn't matter what I think, but what is better for everybody else. I don't care if Savage is put on the first day; I'll be ready with everything crafted, story and everything the first day.
    But there's people that won't make it, and there will be some inner conflicts on statics with people that skip cutscenes vs people that want to enjoy the story and doesn't have the time to be ready at day 1, so delaying Savage (like the first Savage patch) would help everyone.

    It also would help competition with the world first racers. Imagine everyone starting the competition with the same gear at the same time when servers are up; it would be more challenging for everyone
    Competition doesn't matter for a casual content and group conflict is the group's issue, not the game. If there are people who are ready day 1, there is no reason to make them wait because other people can't find a group that they can work a schedule with, and seeing as how it's casual content, they can take their time finding a group that will be accommodating to their interest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    People take time off work to join in the raid. Being part of a raid team means you’re accountable for not wasting their time as much as not wasting your own. A delay is a positive thing like countless people have said, it allows people to make sure they’re using and actually enjoying the content the devs have spent time to make. That’s not to mention time allowed to sort out crafting, prep for raids etc etc. Arguing against a delay “cos you don’t like it” isn’t a valid argument at all
    Arguing for a minimum 1-week delay isn't valid just because people can't wait for people to enjoy the content.

    If your entire group agrees that the raid should be the focus, then you only have to wait for people to not rush through the story mode, which you can do together or separately. Then you can go through Savage prog and people can do other content in their own time. Enjoying content is not wasting time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    People take time off work to join in the raid. Being part of a raid team means you’re accountable for not wasting their time as much as not wasting your own. A delay is a positive thing like countless people have said, it allows people to make sure they’re using and actually enjoying the content the devs have spent time to make. That’s not to mention time allowed to sort out crafting, prep for raids etc etc. Arguing against a delay “cos you don’t like it” isn’t a valid argument at all
    I'm fully convinced they're a troll at this point. Don't acknowledge them anymore, don't talk to them anymore, put them on ignore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Competition doesn't matter for a casual content and group conflict is the group's issue, not the game. If there are people who are ready day 1, there is no reason to make them wait because other people can't find a group that they can work a schedule with, and seeing as how it's casual content, they can take their time finding a group that will be accommodating to their interest.
    Still, almost everybody wants to do the new content the same day it pops, so a delay on Savage would erase the extra stress that some members would have. It's called empathy.

    This person gave a very valid point, and I recommend you to re-read it until you understand it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    People take time off work to join in the raid. Being part of a raid team means you’re accountable for not wasting their time as much as not wasting your own. A delay is a positive thing like countless people have said, it allows people to make sure they’re using and actually enjoying the content the devs have spent time to make. That’s not to mention time allowed to sort out crafting, prep for raids etc etc. Arguing against a delay “cos you don’t like it” isn’t a valid argument at all


    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I'm fully convinced they're a troll at this point. Don't acknowledge them anymore, don't talk to them anymore, put them on ignore.
    I hope this message is not about me D: I'm talking seriously
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoFeru View Post
    Still, almost everybody wants to do the new content the same day it pops, so a delay on Savage would erase the extra stress that some members would have. It's called empathy.
    Empathy goes both ways. This is a game, so it's not like either side is in the right. It's about preference.

    This person gave a very valid point, and I recommend you to re-read it until you understand it:
    That person made a point that I understand, but I disagree with their point. People do have a responsibility to their group, but that's why you find a group that has the same expectations and goals. If people want to enjoy content, they shouldn't be made to feel guilty as if they're wasting people's time when they're just enjoying what the game gives them.

    It's one thing if the group wants to raid, but one member insists they have to do the MSQ first. That would be wrong for that person and where the accountability comes in. But if people do want to raid, but some want to watch cutscenes for the normal version, that should be acceptable. And if it's not, then it's just not the right group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Empathy goes both ways. This is a game, so it's not like either side is in the right. It's about preference.
    Not if one way makes the other one impossible, skipping every bit of story and let msq aside is done and you might get spoiled or miss stuff, even if you later rewatch everything possible later on...

    If you release savage a week later everyone would have a more even startingpoint, id even say we could delay the ex trial as well, but i gues that would be too much. Heck if you have to delay the tome as well, we got so many weeks, nothing is lost if we just slow down a bit.

    Even more bonus, savage players who dont care for story dont need to log during the patchdays and can do stuff later, having less stress on the servers on release...
    Crafted gear would even out more, no 4 mill sells on the first 1-2 days followed by a dump to 700k lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoFeru View Post
    I hope this message is not about me D: I'm talking seriously
    Oh that wasn't about you, but about Iinayar.
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