Patch 5.4 Trailer, Predictions, and Hints

[RyuDragnier]

I could add on this further, perhaps with the Void quests as they are being called in 5.4 we could see another shard reunite with the WoL, perhaps, at some point in 6.0 this will trigger memories of our past life as Azem, and we see why they sided with neither Zodiark's faction, nor Hydalyn's, leading further to 6.0 being supposedly the conclusion for both their arcs.

I'm fully expecting a final battle for 6.3 (at the latest) where we're full Unsundered mode and fight the final boss of the expansion like that...just to get a time skip (months, years?) immediately afterwards where we exit wherever the fight was depowered and having lost (probably willingly) the shards we had been using (process took a while though). Would allow for a new political foe or power to come into play and also explain why we don't just easily end whatever threat it is, we just gave up the power and don't have it anymore, so we have to do things the old fashioned way again.

[Kesey]

I'm fully expecting a final battle for 6.3 (at the latest) where we're full Unsundered mode and fight the final boss of the expansion like that...just to get a time skip (months, years?) immediately afterwards where we exit wherever the fight was depowered and having lost (probably willingly) the shards we had been using (process took a while though). Would allow for a new political foe or power to come into play and also explain why we don't just easily end whatever threat it is, we just gave up the power and don't have it anymore, so we have to do things the old fashioned way again.

I expect this not to happen. As Hydaelyn would want to have all the shards resplit to prevent reviving Zodiark (after his 2nd defeat). This theory only works if Zodiark can never be summoned again, but we all know primals can always be resummoned...

[RyuDragnier]

I expect this not to happen. As Hydaelyn would want to have all the shards resplit to prevent reviving Zodiark (after his 2nd defeat). This theory only works if Zodiark can never be summoned again, but we all know primals can always be resummoned...

It's very likely Zodiark will be gone for good because all who will know of its existence will be gone or will refuse to ever speak of it to anybody else (us and the Scions). Plus at the end of 5.3, it's mentioned that "the final battle for the fate of this star" is approaching. Meaning that's it, we're not getting any more "fate of the world" scenarios after this, so Zodiark is permanently going to be dealt with, it's not going to come back after this.

[Kesey]

It's very likely Zodiark will be gone for good because all who will know of its existence will be gone or will refuse to ever speak of it to anybody else (us and the Scions). Plus at the end of 5.3, it's mentioned that "the final battle for the fate of this star" is approaching. Meaning that's it, we're not getting any more "fate of the world" scenarios after this, so Zodiark is permanently going to be dealt with, it's not going to come back after this.

We can hope, but there is no evidence that all who know of his existence will be gone after the final battle of 6.0. All the narrative has promised is the final battle for the fate of the star, not who continues on afterward.

[Jandor]

I expect this not to happen. As Hydaelyn would want to have all the shards resplit to prevent reviving Zodiark (after his 2nd defeat). This theory only works if Zodiark can never be summoned again, but we all know primals can always be resummoned...

Normal primals can always be re-summoned.

Zodiark was made by ancient masters of creation magic sacrificing half their population though, I doubt sundered mortals are capable of recreating him in his all-powerful 'rewrite the laws of reality' form if he's destroyed.

[Kesey]

Normal primals can always be re-summoned.

Zodiark was made by ancient masters of creation magic sacrificing half their population though, I doubt sundered mortals are capable of recreating him in his all-powerful 'rewrite the laws of reality' form if he's destroyed.

Right, but the mortals aren't all perfectly sundered anymore. Therefore, unless Hydaelyn forces a second sundering, mortals are capable of recreating him.

The only "Zodiark is perfectly gone" scenario is all Ascians are destroyed, their history lost, and the rejoined worlds are sundered again. Isn't this kind of a tall order?

[Rosenstrauch]

Right, but the mortals aren't all perfectly sundered anymore. Therefore, unless Hydaelyn forces a second sundering, mortals are capable of recreating him.

The only "Zodiark is perfectly gone" scenario is all Ascians are destroyed, their history lost, and the rejoined worlds are sundered again. Isn't this kind of a tall order?

Not only is it a tall order, it's one the protagonists (WoL+Scions) seem to be against. Promising to remember Amaurot won't amount to anything if they take the knowledge of its history to their graves.

[Vyrerus]

Right, but the mortals aren't all perfectly sundered anymore. Therefore, unless Hydaelyn forces a second sundering, mortals are capable of recreating him.

The only "Zodiark is perfectly gone" scenario is all Ascians are destroyed, their history lost, and the rejoined worlds are sundered again. Isn't this kind of a tall order?

I think you mean, unsundered. Cause uhh, to sunder something is to split it. I don't think mortals as they are now could recreate Zodiark. They could summon powerful, lesser versions of him, certainly, but the elder days Zodiark? Nah.

[Jandor]

Right, but the mortals aren't all perfectly sundered anymore. Therefore, unless Hydaelyn forces a second sundering, mortals are capable of recreating him.

I don't see how 1 logically flows in 2. The races of mankind didn't create Zodiark, therefore it can't be assumed they could recreate Zodiark either.

We're not half ancient just because we're partially restored, our adventures in Amaurot show that even at 7/14 we're still completely incapable of weilding the creation magic they favoured.

[Kesey]

I don't see how 1 logically flows in 2. The races of mankind didn't create Zodiark, therefore it can't be assumed they could recreate Zodiark either.

We're not half ancient just because we're partially restored, our adventures in Amaurot show that even at 7/14 we're still completely incapable of weilding the creation magic they favoured.

Thats exactly how I meant it. Since most people are 7/14 rejoined they are growing in their power to resummon Zodiark. If we defeat Zodiark and Hydaelyn doesn't resunder the star, the people will remain 7/14 (or even 8/14 if Fandaniel gets another rejoining) which we know is the needed power levels to resummon Zodiark. And since primals can be resummoned even after they are defeated, and since its a ridiculously tall order to destroy all the Ascians, earse their culture (which we promised to remember), and finally resunder 7 or 8/14 rejoinings so the power level needed isn't there, he has the potential to come back. Also I clarified my statement after you quoted me but was the part of my quote you cut off.

Honestly, this seems like a lot of explaining because I pointed out that there isn't enough evidence that Zodiark can be eradicated from existence.

Lastly, summoning primals is creation magic (the elders and normies). If you still believe that these are two different things you were not paying attention when you went to Amarout.