SE's inability to protect players from stalking/harassment

[Veliaire]

You probably haven't played any other games where adding to the blacklist removes you from someones friends list bilaterally and prevents meeting in any game activity, including the ability to enter the house of a player who is ignoring you. This is just fine, not what you see in this game.

Who care if you can see some else's avatar??? They have no contact with you. At some point people need to put on their big boy pants and just learn to deal. I could see if there was body blocking or if they in any way impacted your gameplay by just standing there, but that is not the case. I'm gonna give you some advice my mom gave me when I was 5 and I kept getting triggered because my brother kept looking at me.. Ignore it.

[RajNish]

Who care if you can see some else's avatar??? They have no contact with you. At some point people need to put on their big boy pants and just learn to deal. I could see if there was body blocking or if they in any way impacted your gameplay by just standing there, but that is not the case. I'm gonna give you some advice my mom gave me when I was 5 and I kept getting triggered because my brother kept looking at me.. Ignore it.

Have you encountered personal trolling in raids and dungeons yet? Have you ever deleted many pages of spam in the guestbook at home? Then you are very lucky. Stalking and "my brother kept looking at me" are completely different things, so your mom's advice is not universal sadly.

[Veliaire]

Have you encountered personal trolling in raids and dungeons yet? Have you ever deleted many pages of spam in the guestbook at home? Then you are very lucky. Stalking and "my brother kept looking at me" are completely different things, so your mom's advice is not universal sadly.

Square Enix is really good at punishing people for spamming. I have never heard of a legitimate case of spam that didn't result in at least a warning. Also, if you are being a troll in a dungeon by impeding progress, Square Enix is very good at punishing you for that as well. What you are referencing are legitimate punishable offenses. Report them and you will find that the person doing them will be dealt with. What OP is talking about is someone's avatar simply standing around. Not saying anything (because they are blacklisted), not emoting in chat. Not doing anything but following OP around. That is not a punishable offense and my mother's advice holds. Ignore that behavior because it is of no consequence. Report behavior such as spamming and dungeon trolling because that actually negatively impacts gameplay.

[RajNish]

Square Enix is really good at punishing people for spamming. I have never heard of a legitimate case of spam that didn't result in at least a warning. Also, if you are being a troll in a dungeon by impeding progress, Square Enix is very good at punishing you for that as well. What you are referencing are legitimate punishable offenses. Report them and you will find that the person doing them will be dealt with. What OP is talking about is someone's avatar simply standing around. Not saying anything (because they are blacklisted), not emoting in chat. Not doing anything but following OP around. That is not a punishable offense and my mother's advice holds. Ignore that behavior because it is of no consequence. Report behavior such as spamming and dungeon trolling because that actually negatively impacts gameplay.

I still don't see how your mom's advice will help with harassment or stalking. Of course, you can ignore most of the unpleasant events in your life, but this will not lead to anything good. The system of ignoring needs to be changed. Both in the game and on the forum. By the way, about the forums. The fact that you can see the message of an ignored person in another user's quote is incredibly funny.

[Veliaire]

I still don't see how your mom's advice will help with harassment or stalking. Of course, you can ignore most of the unpleasant events in your life, but this will not lead to anything good.

The whole point of ignoring things and learning to cope with reality, something children learn early in life, is because sometimes there are things that are not in your control. Sometimes we have to weigh other people's freedoms against your own personal feelings and maybe its the case that not always your feelings matter. You are given enough tools to where you literally don't have to interact with another player at all. Yet you sit here and complain simply because you have to deal with the horror of seeing their avatar walking around?

Like I said. Legitimate instances of harassment or spamming are dealt with quickly. What you are calling "stalking" is just someone's avatar lurking around. That is not an issue. Ignore it. They are not harming you. They are not even talking to you. They are just standing there. Its not the end of the world. Ignore it. Heck, I don't even know who's standing around me unless they are on my FL or in my party because I keep names turned off.

[AiUsagi]

So you dont think that my stalker writing in my FC book and my FC members books under an alt alias (with the same name as my alt) doesnt count as harassment? Writing in someones message book when they have you blacklisted shouldnt even be a thing. Which is exactly my point. If my stalker coudlnt see my player name or location, they wouldnt have even been able to harass me at my own FC in the first place. It wasnt just idling standing by as youre so set on believing, but I doubt anything I say even matters to you because you've really just got it all figured out with those big boy pants from mommy.

[Veliaire]

So you dont think that my stalker writing in my FC book and my FC members books under an alt alias (with the same name as my alt) doesnt count as harassment? Writing in someones message book when they have you blacklisted shouldnt even be a thing. Which is exactly my point. If my stalker coudlnt see my player name or location, they wouldnt have even been able to harass me at my own FC in the first place. It wasnt just idling standing by as youre so set on believing, but I doubt anything I say even matters to you because you've really just got it all figured out with those big boy pants from mommy.

I think if you don't want people writing in your FC book then you should probably take it down or close down your FC to the public. I googled you, you're the FC leader. You can do that. I don't think it's against the rules for a person to write in the message book of a FC open to the public, therefore I don't think a report should have been made. I think you should have utilized the SUGGESTION feature and made a suggestion about it. Instead, you just harassed support workers about an issue that is not technically harassment. These people don't have the authority to change the rules of the game, but you don't care. You want your way right now and don't care who you have to irritate to get it.

[SturmChurro]

I for one believe the OP, and I do think it is a form of harassment. I just don't think it's a form that is actionable by the GMs, and I think it could easily be ignored. This OP's supposed stalker - and I've said before there are people who do do things as described in this community - probably knows this very well.

I do also think some of the negative posts in this thread are a bit uncalled for. Many continuing the same arguments ad nauseum. Largely, rather than discuss what SE could do better in dealing with forms of harassment it has become laden with personal attacks against the OP.

[RajNish]

The whole point of ignoring things and learning to cope with reality, something children learn early in life, is because sometimes there are things that are not in your control.

If humanity ignored almost all the troubles beyond its control, you would still be living in a cave.