FF14 is not made for hardcore players.

[Veis_Alveare]

Simple solution to this. Vet the person you're going to help to make sure they want or can even handle constructive criticism(some people just aren't equipped to)

If someone can't handle constructive criticism they shouldn't be playing a game with other people where they may underperform.

[NanaWiloh]

Its not hard too ask if people want advice. Yes, some people dont take criticism well and others find it rude to be given advice when they didn't ask for it. So if you are going to just throw advice out there then be ready to get an earful. People are free to reject advice in any manner they choose their under no obligation to listen or accept. Just as those giving it are under no obligation to ask if its wanted.

M.bison- "I don't remember asking for your indepth opinion of the situtation." <-- Someone who finds unsolicited advice rude

Darth Sidius- "NO,NO,NO" <-- Someone who does not handle advice well at all

[MagicAura]

If someone can't handle constructive criticism they shouldn't be playing a game with other people where they may underperform.

Your assumptions and elitism are stunning. You have absolutely no right to dictate who "should" and "shouldn't" be playing this game. You have no right to judge anyone, no matter how they perceive your "constructive" criticism, especially given that you communicate through an imperfect medium of hastily written language in a chat, where your good will may be completely missed on a person who may be triggered to rage by a random word.

You don't know who is on the receiving end of your "advice", what language they speak, whether they function under similar assumptions as you, you don't know anything so you have no right to judge them. The best you can do is get off your high horse and ask politely if they want advice at the end of the dungeon run. If the answer is no, then move on with your life. You can't force improvement on people if they don't want it.

[MagicAura]

Its not hard too ask if people want advice. Yes, some people dont take criticism well and others find it rude to be given advice when they didn't ask for it. So if you are going to just throw advice out there then be ready for and earful. People are free to reject advice in any manner they choose there under no obligation to listen or accept. Just as those giving it are udner no obligation to ask if its wanted.

M.bison- "I don't remember asking for your indepth opinion of the situtation." <-- Someone who finds unsolicited advice rude

Darth Sidius- "NO,NO,NO" <-- Someone who does not handle advice well at all

This pretty much.

[Caitsithhh]

Your assumptions and elitism are stunning. You have absolutely no right to dictate who "should" and "shouldn't" be playing this game. You have no right to judge anyone, no matter how they perceive your "constructive" criticism, especially given that you communicate through an imperfect medium of hastily written language in a chat, where your good will may be completely missed on a person who may be triggered to rage by a random word.

You don't know who is on the receiving end of your "advice", what language they speak, whether they function under similar assumptions as you, you don't know anything so you have no right to judge them. The best you can do is get off your high horse and ask politely if they want advice at the end of the dungeon run. If the answer is no, then move on with your life. You can't force improvement on people if they don't want it.

We can judge though, it’s an MMO. There is a bare minimum asked in all fights based off an enrage mechanic and it’s implied that you can at least meet this or be open to criticism/suggestions. The casual-elitism is thicc ;p

[MagicAura]

We can judge though, it’s an MMO. There is a bare minimum asked in all fights based off an enrage mechanic and it’s implied that you can at least meet this or be open to criticism/suggestions. The casual-elitism is thicc ;p

No actually, there are no game rules set by the developers that state people who don't meet the bare minimum should be open to criticism. That's nonsense. If someone is making your DF group (please notice the big DF here) a mess, you have three options as given by the game's mechanics:

1. Leave the group.
2. Initiate a kick.
3. Persevere and finish the dungeon.

You can offer the option of help in a nice way too but only when the time is right together with the circumstances. Notice the "option" to help. I am not talking about unsolicited advice here.

[TribalReturns]

If someone can't handle constructive criticism they shouldn't be playing a game with other people where they may underperform.

You definitely sound like part of the problem here. You really shouldn't want to dictate what people should or shouldn't be doing. Performance is little to no issue in normals dungeons/trials and even experts(at a certaint point)in every expansion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Veis_Alveare]

Yeah, no.

I don't play this game to coddle people. If I was able to look up how to play my job then so are they, if they're not doing that I'm going to offer advice when I deem it necessary.

You guys don't have to, that's fine, but just like I can't make you try to help this issue you're unable to stop me.

[Britha]

Expecting a bare minimum of competence and effort is not elitist or toxic and I really wish people would stop acting like it is. There are people that go entirely too far in the "casual" direction and use that as a shield to even bother trying to learn or improve and that's disappointing. I'm not a great player, I'm just okay but I always try my best because duties are a team effort and you want to do the best you can for your team, or at least you should.

[MagicAura]

Expecting a bare minimum of competence and effort is not elitist or toxic and I really wish people would stop acting like it is.

I never said it is and will never perceive it as such. You and everyone else are free to expect anything you want and fancy. The elitism starts when people decide what people should play or not and whether people "should" accept advice or not. In the same way you are free to expect anything you want, so are others free to accept your advice or not. I've said it many times, there are as many personalities as people who play the game and expecting everyone to adhere to some random floor you have decided is "appropriate", that is elitism. People play for different reasons and with different attitudes. Accept that and your frustration when someone rejects your advice will go down significantly.

There are people that go entirely too far in the "casual" direction and use that as a shield to even bother trying to learn or improve and that's disappointing. I'm not a great player, I'm just okay but I always try my best because duties are a team effort and you want to do the best you can for your team, or at least you should.

Of course there are such people and it's entirely within their rights to be that way. Just to be clear I'm not defending that attitude but also I'm not condemning it. Rather, I'm indifferent. My own play revolves around getting better while playing the game and my belief is that I can do that without external help unless I have specific questions about a job, in which case I will go and ask my guildmates. Learning process is different for everyone and takes a different time to move from basics to semi-advanced stuff. I will make mistakes, I will mess, I'll apologise, I'll accept advice if someone offers it politely and at the appropriate time. But that's me. I don't expect the same from everyone I meet at the DF because if I do that it's an exercise in futility and the only option I'd have, would be to come here and complain about random people I don't know anything about. So I take things stoically, I choose to persevere, on one occasion I left the group, but really the other people aren't an issue unless I choose to make one out of them.