Do you want healers to be reworked from the ground up?

[Crushnight]

Whm has 1 aoe ogcd assize that you use more so do deal dmg the. Healing and it has with 45 a really shitty timing too weave efficient, 2 single ogcd Tetra and benediction , a aoe healing field that is useless in movement situations and a 500 cure shield. In comparison astro has 3 single target heals with stronger potency and no clipping with malefic, it has also on a 1 minute cd 4 aoe heals aka celestial opposition, collective unconsciousness , horoscope that you can weave free for 200 potency and the star that is also free healing all on a very short cd. Like telling whm has good ogcd healing is like saying schs pet functions really well.

Want to do a correction here

Horoscope is not free healing outside a planned use in the 1st 30s of a fight anytime after that it is a gcd heal to make it proc and do something.

It is akin to Plenary indulgence but achieves things differently, Whm gets immediate results for that gcd, Ast gets to plan when it can use the proc after the gcd.

The game as it currently is designed heavily favors the latter one because how scripted everything is, both have pros but there are more niche for Plenary than there is with Horoscope but both are not free healing as both require 1 gcd heal to use their effects.

[Veis_Alveare]

Want to do a correction here

Horoscope is not free healing outside a planned use in the 1st 30s of a fight anytime after that it is a gcd heal to make it proc and do something.

It is akin to Plenary indulgence but achieves things differently, Whm gets immediate results for that gcd, Ast gets to plan when it can use the proc after the gcd.

The game as it currently is designed heavily favors the latter one because how scripted everything is, both have pros but there are more niche for Plenary than there is with Horoscope but both are not free healing as both require 1 gcd heal to use their effects.

You don't need to proc Horoscope, you can also just pop it as-is for a smaller heal. That's likely what they meant. In that way it is entirely superior to Plenary, though if you time things right you can get double the bonus from Plenary sometimes if you're popping double Rapture or something.

Point is Horoscope is just better.

[AnotherPerson]

Want to do a correction here

Horoscope is not free healing outside a planned use in the 1st 30s of a fight anytime after that it is a gcd heal to make it proc and do something.

It is akin to Plenary indulgence but achieves things differently, Whm gets immediate results for that gcd, Ast gets to plan when it can use the proc after the gcd.

The game as it currently is designed heavily favors the latter one because how scripted everything is, both have pros but there are more niche for Plenary than there is with Horoscope but both are not free healing as both require 1 gcd heal to use their effects.

Actually, horoscope is a free oGCD heal because now after using Horoscope, it automatically activates as a 200 potency heal if it is not retriggered in the next 10 seconds, or can be triggered to heal 200 potency earlier. AST has a free weave slot every malefic due to being a 1.5 second cast time with a 2.5 second recast time, so they can cast horoscope without cost.


Horoscope Helios, the evolved effect of Horoscope, is not the free oGCD heal since it requires the use of a GCD action to trigger the extra 200 potency effect to become a 400 potency heal. If a form of Helios was used, then Horoscope becomes similar to Plenary Indulgence.

Horoscope is essentially Fey Blessing but better since it can turn into a one time Plenary Indulgence.

[Mortex]

That’s what did mean you can use it for a free 200 potency by just using it in between malefic casts and you can even use it for a aoe after downtime because buffed horoscopes has a 30 second runtime and procs for free after this time regardless if you are in range or not, meaning movement mechanics were the group splits you can have a free party full heal with little preparation. Astro in comparison too whm and sch is a god with all the tools it has.

[glamazon]

Dissipation should allow your fair to call on the other fairy for added energy healing. Giving you two pets for like 15 seconds. Though you can’t control the new fairy.

[Crushnight]

Ok my mistake because I never use horoscope without proccing it so that effect entirely went under my radar.

With that said I think Plenary should have the exact same stipulation once it expires, flat out Ast didn't need that for Horoscope it needed the if procc auto go off, but definitely not another free ogcd heal that they could make more powerful.

A change like that starts to really highlight how much they care about healer balance.

[YusiKha]

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Uncharged Horoscope could always be reactivated for the 200p heal, the change was just to add the effect on duration end if unused, like with Excog. In contrast, Plenary can be proc'd multiple times but has no upfront potency.

[Limonia]

SCH is keybind-hell imo. I had to re-do my keybinds recently because I hadn't backed up my local data. I use extra buttons like QERFX and an MMO mouse with 12 buttons (I try to only use about 6 for battle).

AST and WHM actions all fit perfectly into easily accessible keys. But not matter how much I rearrange everything, I can't get a comfortable keybind layout for SCH. There are just too many situational actions to fit on. A lot of the actions feel shoehorned in, like Emergency Tactics and Dissipation, which basically just trade one number for another.

I'd prefer if Dissipation was reworked to be a huge fairy healing buff, although I suppose that's kinda what Seraph is supposed to be. Regardless, removing the fairy is a weird choice design-wisd.

Emergency Tactics, for something with the word "Emergency" in it, is quite a slow method of attempting to pull off clutch heals. I'd like it if it buffed heals and/or shields for a few seconds to make the second button press feel more worthwhile under pressure.

There's a lot to fix with SCH in terms of gameplay. It should definitely be the "strategic" healer, but it needs to be done with less buttons and a better pet.

I have to agree here.
I play with controller. There are enough hotbar slots, but I'm still never really happy with my SCH hotbars, because unlike AST and WHM it has so many different situational skills. They could easily combine some of them. And like you say, Emergency Tactics is really clunky to use and not really very emergency-like - you probably have to clip your GCD (or lose DPS by casting Ruin II) and then use another GCD to trigger its effect. It would be simpler just to have a stronger heal on the same CD or so. Dissipation is so clunky as well with the pet ghosting, so just remove it and give Emergency Tactics its effect minus the faerie despawn, maybe a bit different and on a long CD of course. That would be much more like an ability for an emergency. It has to be tweaked a little more though not to end up as a DPS CD... Your idea of just making it a healing buff seems much easier. So maybe give us a free AF heal during its duration? Don't know, just some ideas here.

[Veis_Alveare]

I have to agree here.
I play with controller. There are enough hotbar slots, but I'm still never really happy with my SCH hotbars, because unlike AST and WHM it has so many different situational skills. They could easily combine some of them. And like you say, Emergency Tactics is really clunky to use and not really very emergency-like - you probably have to clip your GCD (or lose DPS by casting Ruin II) and then use another GCD to trigger its effect. It would be simpler just to have a stronger heal on the same CD or so. Dissipation is so clunky as well with the pet ghosting, so just remove it and give Emergency Tactics its effect minus the faerie despawn, maybe a bit different and on a long CD of course. That would be much more like an ability for an emergency. It has to be tweaked a little more though not to end up as a DPS CD... Your idea of just making it a healing buff seems much easier. So maybe give us a free AF heal during its duration? Don't know, just some ideas here.

I really think as they try to move away from the shield/HoT dichotomy we should probably toss Deployment and Emergency tactics, just because SCH having abilities to deliberately interact with it's shields will have people still thinking of it as a shield healer even though that hasn't been it's identity for a long time.

Emergency Tactics could just be an instant aoe GCD heal on a fairly short CD that is the same healing potency as ET+Succor right now with a similar MP cost. A tiny bit like Rapture but still distinct in the case of it being on a CD (so not spammable) and with a hefty MP cost to compensate for it's greater healing. It'd be handy and used by less experienced SCHs much more.

Deployment is a bit trickier but at the end of the day it's really just a way to get a party-wide shield so rather than the clunk of spreading a shield from a party member it could just become a long CD AoE shield emanating from the target.

Dissipation is actually nice as it is imo, the instant fairy respawn is a nice QoL. It can save you in a lot of scenarios since even if you spend them all on lustrates for a big pull a save is a save. It's also let me resolve living dead solo before. I like it's duality as both a dps CD and a potential emergency healing button. If people wanted to make it safer I could see granting a Synastry-style buff during the duration so that when the SCH heals whoever they were targeting when they popped dissipation they get an extra shield effect or mitigation or something.

[Limonia]

Dissipation is actually nice as it is imo, the instant fairy respawn is a nice QoL. It can save you in a lot of scenarios since even if you spend them all on lustrates for a big pull a save is a save. It's also let me resolve living dead solo before. I like it's duality as both a dps CD and a potential emergency healing button. If people wanted to make it safer I could see granting a Synastry-style buff during the duration so that when the SCH heals whoever they were targeting when they popped dissipation they get an extra shield effect or mitigation or something.

Maybe I don't remember it right, but if you have Dissipation activated, don't the Aetherflow actions not give no faerie gauge during it?
The faerie gauge isn't really great, but that's just another flaw of SCH gameplay.
Either way, I don't really like Dissipation because it doesn't have good synergy with the other SCH mechanics, and of course because of the faerie ghosting issues and how clunky it is to use.

Also, if something is more of a DPS CD it rarely gets used otherwise. I'd rather have DPS and healing CDs separately. That's why I suggested that during Dissipation you can use a free AF heal or something like that, and in return have something else for a DPS CD.