FF14 is not made for hardcore players.

[RajNish]

Except they do, though. Back in 4.05, they did some minor changes to Warrior that changed my opinion to thinking "warrior is the worst tank in the game" to "warrior is the best tank in the game." I absolutely loved the rotation and the gauge management during that patch. The rotation was difficult, but it felt extremely rewarding and satisfactory. A group of people came out complaining that warrior was too difficult, so they dumbed Warrior down so much in 4.1. Then come Shadowbringers, every tank was reduced to a pretty bad warrior clone (especially Dark Knight) with Gunbreaker being the exception (maybe), and let's not even get into how Square decided to "fix" aggro management.

It's not about classes. Most of the people here on the forums, like you and me, have never seen an OP in-game (and never will, I suppose). So we do not know him for certain as a player and "Git Gud" sounds weird, because anyone have no idea that he really needs to improve (or maybe not). I would understand if it were constructive suggestions from people from his static or FC, their opinions would be much more important.

[Veis_Alveare]

It's not about classes. Most of the people here on the forums, like you and me, have never seen an OP in-game (and never will, I suppose). So we do not know him for certain as a player and "Git Gud" sounds weird, because anyone have no idea that he really needs to improve (or maybe not). I would understand if it were constructive suggestions from people from his static or FC, their opinions would be much more important.

You asked how this guy effects others and were given an example of it only to turn it away with "it's not about that" like... it clearly is for the person you're responding to.

Vocal hypercasuals are definitely one of the reasons we've seen the overall gameplay get simpler. I'm not trying to claim that's inherently good or bad but for someone who feels it's bad it's very relevant to call it out.

[linayar]

Vocal hypercasuals are definitely one of the reasons we've seen the overall gameplay get simpler.

On that note, I wonder if it matters in this case if it's on the English forum. We've heard it said that the devs don't necessarily "listen" to the English community (allegedly, I'm not sure I agree with that assessment myself, though that may be for another topic), especially if there is no equivalent feedback on the Japanese community.

[Dalmacus]

On that note, I wonder if it matters in this case if it's on the English forum. We've heard it said that the devs don't necessarily "listen" to the English community (allegedly, I'm not sure I agree with that assessment myself, though that may be for another topic), especially if there is no equivalent feedback on the Japanese community.

I would like to introduce you to one of those "Back in my days" in 2.5. Back then Steps of faith was pretty hard. You need full cooperation from all 8 team members to complete this trial to advance the story. In JP DCs we initially were having trouble but after a couple wipes and study we were able to clear with no issues in pug groups. But then I think a couple of NA/EU players started complaining here and it was nerfed and after the initial nerf people were still complaining too hard. So, yeah. JP DCs majority of us were able to clear relatively easy because we could make a macro and let people choose theirs roles to do cannons or activate the spear.

[jameseoakes]

I would like to introduce you to one of those "Back in my days" in 2.5. Back then Steps of faith was pretty hard. You need full cooperation from all 8 team members to complete this trial to advance the story. In JP DCs we initially were having trouble but after a couple wipes and study we were able to clear with no issues in pug groups. But then I think a couple of NA/EU players started complaining here and it was nerfed and after the initial nerf people were still complaining too hard. So, yeah. JP DCs majority of us were able to clear relatively easy because we could make a macro and let people choose theirs roles to do cannons or activate the spear.

One of the big issues with Steps of Faith is once you had cleared it there was no point clearing it again and it was in the trail roulette and it was not the effort to clear so people just jumped as it wasn't fun took ages to explain and was very easy to mess up and and to run to the end to reset. It wasn't that it was too hard it was that people didn't want to run it in the numbers needed

[ADVSS]

One of the big issues with Steps of Faith is once you had cleared it there was no point clearing it again and it was in the trail roulette and it was not the effort to clear so people just jumped as it wasn't fun took ages to explain and was very easy to mess up and and to run to the end to reset. It wasn't that it was too hard it was that people didn't want to run it in the numbers needed

You both are right, it got nerfed to mars, and nobody(including myself and many friends after clearing) wanted to do it again, if it could be helped. One failed instance was what, 15 20 min of time, easier to just take the penalty and go crafting.

[linayar]

I would like to introduce you to one of those "Back in my days" in 2.5. Back then Steps of faith was pretty hard. You need full cooperation from all 8 team members to complete this trial to advance the story. In JP DCs we initially were having trouble but after a couple wipes and study we were able to clear with no issues in pug groups. But then I think a couple of NA/EU players started complaining here and it was nerfed and after the initial nerf people were still complaining too hard. So, yeah. JP DCs majority of us were able to clear relatively easy because we could make a macro and let people choose theirs roles to do cannons or activate the spear.

So then they do listen to the English community. (As I suspected, but I do wonder from time to time.) I guess it's just a matter of listening doesn't mean agreeing when people complain but SE doesn't follow suit, or there is complicating factor.

[Driavna]

So then they do listen to the English community. (As I suspected, but I do wonder from time to time.) I guess it's just a matter of listening doesn't mean agreeing when people complain but SE doesn't follow suit, or there is complicating factor.

Yes and no. Probably their internal stats about clear ratio was the reason behind nerfing that duty. In any case, Step of Faith pre-nerf wasn't hard, just required doing stuff outside your regular role.

[RajNish]

You asked how this guy effects others and were given an example of it only to turn it away with "it's not about that" like... it clearly is for the person you're responding to.

Nope, I said that you and other forum users do not influence his game in any way, so neither you nor he really have anything to worry about. In the end, everyone can have fun doing content that they like, because this is just a video game, not IRL work.