Quote Originally Posted by Hatfright View Post
Ah, I see.
Tbh, I didn't read past first page, so all I saw was paraphrased "stop harrasing people in normal difficulty duties based on your expectations of performance" in almost desperate attempt to be heard. Which I can sympathize with, just cuz none of us knows why other people might "underperform" in DF, but way too many people love to jump the "you're lazy" train at the first sight of a simple mistake. All we know, person might be trying and doing their best, but obstacles outside of their control won't let them perform as people want them to. And, well, I tend to agree with "there's no need for Ex/Savage/Ultimate level of performance in DF". It mostly tank and spank anyway.
Again, I'd totally agree with you here.

I think the biggest breakdown in communication when it comes to discussion around performance is just really about what constitutes a realistic expectation.

The players setting some kind of expectation beyond "clear before the instance timer runs out" aren't always (or, in my opinion) asking for EX+ level play in DF content. I honestly don't know of a time I've seen anyone make the argument that someone needs that sort of skill and uptime in non-enrage style content.

If I can be honest, and I genuinely hope you don't take offence because I mean none here, what I can see of the character listed as your main here on The Website We Cannot Link is kind of a good example of what I mean. You aren't pulling the numbers you'd need to be competitive in Savage... but then you're still adequately performing your basics to a point that if I encountered you in a roulette I wouldn't bat an eye.

I think that's what most people are hoping for really. Someone who's read their tooltips and is trying to help kill the stuff in a logical way.

For what it's worth the OP of this thread is something of a known troll around here as well. He makes threads that are specifically targeted at "stirring the pot" and breeding controversy. I'm not surprised that's the impression you got from the first page but anyone familiar with him will tell you these topics really appear to not be coming from a genuine place.