Bard is support right?

[Kesey]

This thread shows the divisiveness of the Bard community. Half of you want support for your Bard. The others want to be viable dps. You can't have both.

No wonder SE has this class identity all jangled up. They don't know which side to listen too.

But lets be honest, until you get a 4th physical range class that can be selfish like Machinist, allowing Bard and Dancer to be competing range buffers, Bard is going to suffer. So unless they will back to back add a physical range in 6.0 (and I don't think they will), this issue won't be resolved until 7.0 at the earliest.

[Wyakin]

This thread shows the divisiveness of the Bard community. Half of you want support for your Bard. The others want to be viable dps. You can't have both.

No wonder SE has this class identity all jangled up. They don't know which side to listen too.

But lets be honest, until you get a 4th physical range class that can be selfish like Machinist, allowing Bard and Dancer to be competing range buffers, Bard is going to suffer. So unless they will back to back add a physical range in 6.0 (and I don't think they will), this issue won't be resolved until 7.0 at the earliest.

Then you miss the point. To get viable dps there are two choices. Option A: more support. Option B: more personal dps. All three ranged need a generic 3% dps buff to be where they should be. For bard it’s simple, add foes and charges to BL and empy

[SweetPete]

Then you miss the point. To get viable dps there are two choices. Option A: more support. Option B: more personal dps. All three ranged need a generic 3% dps buff to be where they should be. For bard it’s simple, add foes and charges to BL and empy

How I see it is, if they keep the support as it is then I don’t see why the songs needs to be on a timer to bounce between them. Make mages ballad and wanderers minuet toggles. Like mages ballad could be the song for dungeons on trash mobs while wanderers minuet can be used on boss fights. These are just examples so don’t crucify me. Army’s Paeon they would just have to change this song to make it competitive with the other 2. Maybe it can be a small regen song on a timer so it won’t be OP. So maybe 30 seconds it gives a regen effect then goes on a cool down and you can end it early if you want if you toggle on another song. Bard is a very busy job as it is so that can take some of the pressure off too from remembering to bounce between songs every 30 seconds. I know other bard abilities would need to be adjusted if this was to be implemented but I truly believe it could work.

[Jim_Berry]

BRD used to be used as support in Raid groups back in the day. The songs actually had effects on the Party, like granting MP Regen, TP regen, etc, while also lowering BRD's own damage by 20%. Now, the songs provide more ability uses for the BRD itself while giving the rest of the party SOME support.

I liked how the old BRD was. I didn't like when BRD had cast times on skills. I like BRD now, because songs pushing it's damage more.

BRD was my first dps in the game back in 2013, so I generally stay up to date on her, and would love some of the old skills returned (Rain of Death used to lower target's Attack). Wide Volley was hella nice for speed runs.

[Gobio]

I don't understand?
The first noob song mage ballad gives shitty buff to others but let you refresh bloodletter? Isn't this far better effect for bard anyway?

[Jirah]

We all know bard sucks

says who? No job in ff14 is useless even ranged with "weaker" attributes hardly matters when absolute mastery of your job and the fight are far more important, if they dont care about numbers and dislike dots and songs thats highly subjective. Dont be force feed the negativity without valid points any job can perform well, much to the disdain to those who treat them like trash because of numbers sake

[Jirah]

How I see it is, if they keep the support as it is then I don’t see why the songs needs to be on a timer to bounce between them. Make mages ballad and wanderers minuet toggles. Like mages ballad could be the song for dungeons on trash mobs while wanderers minuet can be used on boss fights. These are just examples so don’t crucify me. Army’s Paeon they would just have to change this song to make it competitive with the other 2. Maybe it can be a small regen song on a timer so it won’t be OP. So maybe 30 seconds it gives a regen effect then goes on a cool down and you can end it early if you want if you toggle on another song. Bard is a very busy job as it is so that can take some of the pressure off too from remembering to bounce between songs every 30 seconds. I know other bard abilities would need to be adjusted if this was to be implemented but I truly believe it could work.

like the fists right? a novice idea which will render Bloodletter useless since Mage is pure AOE now. I dont like this idea as itll trivialize BRD and make it more boring to play. to loose momentum is to strip away the party of buffs and you without Soul procs, having it just be Wanrderers would make it incredibly boring to play as theres no variety anymore. if it were implemented the new rotation would be Armys for speed than wanderers then once Armys ethos expires back to wanderers which is only 10 secs which is my best guess

BRD is busy becuase it has nothing else to worry about , no cast bars, no positional, free movment, its not the hardest ranged the other two are pitifully easy worrying about even less than BRD. If they did the First approach they need to completly revamp BRD and i dont think thats required unless SE feels like slaughtering another job