Please fix the “naked queueing” for Aliance Raids

[Seddrinth]

I was perfectly willing to be civil but I guess if you cant I can point out how I'd wager clear buyers would have trouble with things like basic reading comprehension.

As Packetdancer pointed out the issue isn't that the OP (or really most of the people in the thread) hate the CT raids, they hate that their roulette results are being manipulated by lazy people to the result that they're seeing less variety in the content they're running.

I hope that clears things up for you, if not I would offer a lengthier explanation at some exhorbinant price since I'm sure it wouldn't be the greatest sum you've spent amirite?

I've always been civil to you, Ms Legendary Dungeon Tank. I've even offered to transfer to your server to play with you so I can witness those elite dungeon tank skills. You are the one calling me names and declaring you will never be friends with me. Who are you referring to when you keep mention clear buyers btw?

[Veis_Alveare]

I've always been civil to you, Ms Legendary Dungeon Tank. I've even offered to transfer to your server to play with you so I can witness those elite dungeon tank skills. You are the one calling me names and declaring you will never be friends with me. Who are you referring to when you keep mention clear buyers btw?

Honestly it's getting a bit creepy my dude, and maybe when you're responding to me alongside the creepiness you could address the very clear misunderstanding I pointed out in my post that you seem to have which is relevant to this thread. You also know very well why I'm referring to clear buyers.

Like by all means we can keep being passive aggressive back and forth whenever we encounter each other, cool! But are you going to acknowledge that your suggestion of "just queue specifically for the higher level raids" is entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand?

People aren't saying they specifically want something out of Ridorana, nor are they saying they specifically hate LotA - the complaint has been and remains that we would like the roulette to have a chance to pull from all relevant content and lazy people manipulating it and pulling us into CT raids is disrupting that.

[Seddrinth]

Honestly it's getting a bit creepy my dude, and maybe when you're responding to me alongside the creepiness you could address the very clear misunderstanding I pointed out in my post that you seem to have which is relevant to this thread. You also know very well why I'm referring to clear buyers.

Like by all means we can keep being passive aggressive back and forth whenever we encounter each other, cool! But are you going to acknowledge that your suggestion of "just queue specifically for the higher level raids" is entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand?

People aren't saying they specifically want something out of Ridorana, nor are they saying they specifically hate LotA - the complaint has been and remains that we would like the roulette to have a chance to pull from all relevant content and lazy people manipulating it and pulling us into CT raids is disrupting that.

Well, Ms Legendary Dungeon Tank, the OP actually said that he specifically prefer the "later" raids because he likes the mechanics, environment, and the music. My suggestion of queueing for the specific raid is a direct response to his preference. If I want to do a certain raid, I queue for it. If I want to avoid an instance, I don't queue for it.

Because this is a video game, and I enjoy doing mechanics. I also prefer the environment and music of the later raids. Not everything has to be about ONE HUNDRED PERCENT MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY

Roulettes are optional. From a design standpoint, a roulette's purpose is to make it easier for players to find other players to play with when there's an instance they need for a story quest, for example, or if they just want to play a dungeon/trial/raid that they like. The rest of us are being paid in gils/tombstones for playing with these people in a roulette, with the clear understanding that the instance we get will be random based on what the majority of players queue for. It makes no sense to complain about not getting the desired instance in a roulette.

[RyuDragnier]

Roulettes are optional. From a design standpoint, a roulette's purpose is to make it easier for players to find other players to play with when there's an instance they need for a story quest, for example, or if they just want to play a dungeon/trial/raid that they like. The rest of us are being paid in gils/tombstones for playing with these people in a roulette, with the clear understanding that the instance we get will be random based on what the majority of players queue for. It makes no sense to complain about not getting the desired instance in a roulette.

Agreed, so why do people try to manipulate or be allowed to manipulate the RNG in their favor? It's just optional, right? If they don't want to get raids other than LotA and ST, they shouldn't be queuing for the roulette.

[Seddrinth]

Agreed, so why do people try to manipulate or be allowed to manipulate the RNG in their favor? It's just optional, right? If they don't want to get raids other than LotA and ST, they shouldn't be queuing for the roulette.

Correct, it is optional. That means people are free to queue for it or not queue for it. It's not your place to tell anyone they shouldn't be queueing. If they have a preference for certain instance, that's up to them and is not your business or my business.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Correct, it is optional. That means people are free to queue for it or not queue for it. It's not your place to tell anyone they shouldn't be queueing. If they have a preference for certain instance, that's up to them and is not your business or my business.

It starts being your business when you are the one being negatively influenced by their actions. Gaming the Alliance roulette wouldn't be as big a deal or as complained about if it only influenced the exploiter's results, but it is also heavily influencing the results of those not attempting to cheese the roulette.

[linayar]

It starts being your business when you are the one being negatively influenced by their actions. Gaming the Alliance roulette wouldn't be as big a deal or as complained about if it only influenced the exploiter's results, but it is also heavily influencing the results of those not attempting to cheese the roulette.

Well, barring any response from SE, in the meantime there is this in-game feature they just released called fellowship. It allows you to form an in-game community with lots of people. Making a community for people who don't want to game the roulette should be possible if enough people care about it.

If you queue in as a full alliance, you wouldn't have to deal with any gaming of the system.

[Seddrinth]

It starts being your business when you are the one being negatively influenced by their actions. Gaming the Alliance roulette wouldn't be as big a deal or as complained about if it only influenced the exploiter's results, but it is also heavily influencing the results of those not attempting to cheese the roulette.

What is this egregious negative influence you are referring to? Getting a different alliance raid than the one you prefer? First world problems right there.

[linayar]

Agreed, so why do people try to manipulate or be allowed to manipulate the RNG in their favor? It's just optional, right? If they don't want to get raids other than LotA and ST, they shouldn't be queuing for the roulette.

It is a side effect of how level sync works. Some people don't like item level sync (see the Shiva Unreal thread about it) because either they want to feel powerful or because they want to feel their gear/melding choice matters.

And like I said, the issue people are having is not necessarily an issue that requires SE's attention to change the system. I would be fine with/love having ilvl requirement in roulette, but it's not really warranted.