Short (or not) constructive feedback to the development of the game.

[Liam_Harper]

Or it's called having a life outside of FFXIV. This is the holy grail when it comes to making a good mmorpg. Yoshida states correctly that he doesn't like the idea of making an mmorpg which is like a job where you lock people out if they don't have the time to log every day/few days to do prog static sessions.

What exactly were you locked out of when the game was more challenging? Maybe a handful of titles, a few mounts, 3-4 star current crafts and EX/Savage/Ultimate (with a lot of that still being possible on a limited time schedule if you were patient and wanted it). You then had many hundreds of other crafts, items to gather, all of the MSQ, all side quests, all job quests, all seasonal events, every dungeon in the game, every alliance raid, every 8 man raid Normal, every trial Normal, most of HoH/PotD, housing, PvP, all the beast tribes, hundreds of titles, mounts and minions, all Ex/Savage rewards a tier later via echo and all previous crafts as new gear came out. I don't understand how this still isn't enough, that players are handed all of that but still want the tiny handful of toys that "hardcore" players have on top of it and we're the ones looked down on and shamed. It's straight up selfish.

No one's asking for a super-achiever model or lots of exclusive content. All they want is an endgame that isn't afraid to ask for a bit of challenge, grind or difficulty.

Every time I go into Firmament events or see FC members crafting their own gear, it really shows a good game. They gave the "hardcore" crafters and gatherers things like Diadem, scrips farming, HQ gear, and crafting rankings.

There are 8 people in the entire Firmament on my world and 0 crafting in my FC right now. It's fast food content and most people devoured it months ago. Diadem, scrip farm and HQ gear are all currently casual content.

[Amnmaat]

What exactly were you locked out of when the game was more challenging? Maybe a handful of titles, a few mounts, 3-4 star current crafts and EX/Savage/Ultimate (with a lot of that still being possible on a limited time schedule if you were patient and wanted it). You then had many hundreds of other crafts, items to gather, all of the MSQ, all side quests, all job quests, all seasonal events, every dungeon in the game, every alliance raid, every 8 man raid Normal, every trial Normal, most of HoH/PotD, housing, PvP, all the beast tribes, hundreds of titles, mounts and minions, all Ex/Savage rewards a tier later via echo and all previous crafts as new gear came out. I don't understand how this still isn't enough, that players are handed all of that but still want the tiny handful of toys that "hardcore" players have on top of it and we're the ones looked down on and shamed. It's straight up selfish.

No one's asking for a super-achiever model or lots of exclusive content. All they want is an endgame that isn't afraid to ask for a bit of challenge, grind or difficulty.



There are 8 people in the entire Firmament on my world and 0 crafting in my FC right now. It's fast food content and most people devoured it months ago. Diadem, scrip farm and HQ gear are all currently casual content.

You're playing the wrong game

modern-day gamers are busy with a lot of things outside of playing games: spending time with family and loved ones, engaging in social media, and the like. Our mindset is to have the players pick and choose what they want to play within their schedule.

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[Alice_Nightingale_Odin]

You're playing the wrong game


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I guess we are playing the wrong game. Because all I see is people that basically founded the base ff14 stands on leaving the game, the people that paid for their success and the game that included all these ways to play it, not just content for the "modern-day gamer" but both those and everyone else so we could all have a place to meet and play games together. I feel that the dream that ff14 filled for several years where it balanced around all these playstyles in a nice match where people learned to know people with all kinds of goals to achieve, or lack thereoff, is starting to just kinda leave. Mmorpgs to me are so wonderful because its a home for all kinds of gamers, not just one kind. And the more I play the game, the longer I do it, the more I see friends and other people Ive learned to know abandon it because the mix is not strifed for now. It's rather neglected so that one specific part of the playerbase, the "modern day gamer" has a game completely aimed exclusively towards them.

It's not a place to meet different kinds of people, it's starting to rather be a place to meet the exact same people as you are, and rather slowly push out the ones that aint by more progressively shift focus from all kinds of mmorpg players, to one kind. If thats what you want, then I'm happy for you. But diversity is what makes mmorpg communities so wonderful, and with time more people will leave that add to that diversity. Me included, even if that's not much of a loss.

[hansi379]

You're playing the wrong game


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Excuse me, but how is this an argument for someone playing the wrong game? Yoshida literally mentions that he wants his players to PICK and CHOOSE what they want WITHIN their SCHEDULE. If anything, this should mean that you're not supposed to complete everything. And that there's content for everyone. So why should we take away content from a subset of players, if there's supposedly so much to pick and choose from, that you don't have to do it all? If you don't have to do it all, then what's the problem with having some content that's outside some people's reach?

I personally consider the fishing log to be the hardest content in the game, given the amount of patience you need to complete it. Some time windows and probabilities are RIDICOLOUS. Yet you don't hear people complain about fisher's getting too much content, cause I bet you've never tried it so that you could feel insecure about it, as well as not even knowing what their titles are. I will respect a grandmaster caster title more for their patience than any legend title.

And yea that's one example, but it never gets brought up. It's always raids. I have no idea why exactly it's always about raids. But here we are.

And why are you against people who want to compete against themselves? To try to master the game? How does this hurt you in any way shape or form? It literally sounds like crab mentality to me. And that's very antisocial in a game that's built around doing activities with other players daily. Maybe you're the one who's playing the wrong game.

[Amnmaat]

Excuse me, but how is this an argument for someone playing the wrong game? Yoshida literally mentions that he wants his players to PICK and CHOOSE what they want WITHIN their SCHEDULE. If anything, this should mean that you're not supposed to complete everything. And that there's content for everyone. So why should we take away content from a subset of players, if there's supposedly so much to pick and choose from, that you don't have to do it all? If you don't have to do it all, then what's the problem with having some content that's outside some people's reach?

I personally consider the fishing log to be the hardest content in the game, given the amount of patience you need to complete it. Some time windows and probabilities are RIDICOLOUS. Yet you don't hear people complain about fisher's getting too much content, cause I bet you've never tried it so that you could feel insecure about it, as well as not even knowing what their titles are. I will respect a grandmaster caster title more for their patience than any legend title.

And yea that's one example, but it never gets brought up. It's always raids. I have no idea why exactly it's always about raids. But here we are.

And why are you against people who want to compete against themselves? To try to master the game? How does this hurt you in any way shape or form? It literally sounds like crab mentality to me. And that's very antisocial in a game that's built around doing activities with other players daily. Maybe you're the one who's playing the wrong game.

I'm not making decisions when it comes to making crafting/gathering easier, Yoship is. I just happen to agree with him.
I brought up their attempts to give the "hardcore" doh/dol players something to do like Ishgard firmament rankings, relics, etc.

The overarching point, which seems to have flown right over your head, was that every time they make a particular system easier it's done under the philosophy that people have a life outside of the game to spend it with family and other activities, as Yoship explains.

[VirusOnline]

I'm not making decisions when it comes to making crafting/gathering easier, Yoship is. I just happen to agree with him.
I brought up their attempts to give the "hardcore" doh/dol players something to do like Ishgard firmament rankings, relics, etc.

The overarching point, which seems to have flown right over your head, was that every time they make a particular system easier it's done under the philosophy that people have a life outside of the game to spend it with family and other activities, as Yoship explains.

I think we all understand the sentiment and while it's certainly endearing, YoshiP should realize that this philosophy can be achieved on multiple levels. Not just the one, which is currently casual.

We're not asking to put our lives aside for the sake of the game.
What I think we would appreciate is variation in the content given to us.

Give us 4 man hard dungeons that acknowledges that we have a brain and challenges one to think and be strategic.
Make a different tier of treasure maps with mobs that spawn that have enemies from 100+PoTD or 80+HoH like mechanics.
We have Ultimates that are essentially timeless and current because it scales to our ilvl. Why not give us this option to scale ilvls in other content and actually make it hard ?

How I see it is that YoshiP fears that just because something has just that extra hit of difficulty, the casual majority will instantly feel threatened. Or that if he does add an option of difficulty, then casual players will cry that they're being excluded when in fact that's not what it is. Keep what is already there. The baseline. Simply allow for "above and beyond" like options onto the baseline content for those who desire the challenge. To me, it's not about a title or being able to boast. It's about the choice of experience.

It's disheartening that nowadays I log in wanting to raid, but tired of raids, and with no other venue to have the same type of challenge. The same goes for crafting. I never cared to make money and never became a crafter to make money. I just wanted an experience that actually made me feel like "I put in the work and it was fun as hell". It's all just trivial now.

[Masked-dingus]

How I see it is that YoshiP fears that just because something has just that extra hit of difficulty, the casual majority will instantly feel threatened. Or that if he does add an option of difficulty, then casual players will cry that they're being excluded when in fact that's not what it is. .

Back in SB didn't they nerf Shinryu EX BEFORE it was even released because casual players complained about normal version being too hard ? I think He is already showing what you're saying

[hansi379]

I'm not making decisions when it comes to making crafting/gathering easier, Yoship is. I just happen to agree with him.
I brought up their attempts to give the "hardcore" doh/dol players something to do like Ishgard firmament rankings, relics, etc.

The overarching point, which seems to have flown right over your head, was that every time they make a particular system easier it's done under the philosophy that people have a life outside of the game to spend it with family and other activities, as Yoship explains.

What? If you're "having a life" then there is definitely more than enough content to go through. Absolutely. If your argument is "but I'm not interested", then you should, as you love to say that yoshi says, unsub. Hey, maybe the people who desire challenge aren't interested in content that got casualized?
And you guys are the ones making the decisions, if it turns out that things are being casualized after being complained about. There is absolutely zero chance they'd nerf anything if people didn't complain. Hell, I always found story solo instances to be a bore, literally pressing 1 button over and over again, you can stand in aoes and not die. Yet they still had to add "Easy" and "Very Easy" options.

Essentially content is being taken away from players who enjoy a challenge, while "people with a life" have more than they'll ever burn through if they so have a life. I know this because I have a friend that has played 8hrs every day since arr, and he still has things to do like fishing log etc.
I also happen to know raiders who work 9/5 and play 4hrs total per week and clears ultimates. I consider that having a life honestly. And they want more stuff to do.

I also don't know a single crafter or gatherer person who enjoyed ishgard firmament rankings. They said it's literally just a seasonal grind where you compete against bots. They didn't have to build up to master the rotations. They just grind a million items the same way crafting is casualized already.

You should maybe play the game's content or talk to other people before you have an opinion on these things. Because it really doesn't seem like you played the game if you think there isn't enough content for "casuals with a life".