Disappointed by last housing rush

[Luna-M]

Until such time when there will be a solution to the housing inadequacy, I suggest buying an Apartment, it cost 500k but is exempted from auto demolition so even if you don't log in more than a month you will still have the apartment when you come back. Also, you are safe from displacement unlike fc rooms wherein you would loose your room if the fc disbanded or you leave or get kicked-out.

Problem is the lack of a outdoor for gardening, and the small space.

[ERMITANYO]

@Luna-M, as you said those are the limitations as an apartment is a micro home, one can plant indoors by twos' using flower boxes and still park and train chocobos in the common stables outside the apartment building.

[Luna-M]

@Luna-M, as you said those are the limitations as an apartment is a micro home, one can plant indoors by twos' using flower boxes and still park and train chocobos in the common stables outside the apartment building.

You can't crossbreed, which is required for most stuff you want to grow (Thavnarian Onions among many other things). But you already knew that with your sarcastic tone.

[MsMisato]

Problem is the lack of a outdoor for gardening, and the small space.

Understandable but about outdoor space and gardening but here is why i recommend an apartment in the meantime.

Its a spot you can place your furniture that you have already and free up your retainer inventory space.
You can get the hang of glitching objects and such so when you do get a plot finally you can go straight to town in decorating.
You can at least grow 2 plants better than nothing really. You wont be able to cross breed but its a great way to see if even gardening is for you because honestly gardening is time consuming.
You get access to a chocobo stable so you can still train your chocobo.
You got access to the MB right outside your building.
Its yours forever.

For those that have no qualms in transferring this is bit is for you. At any point if your server becomes congested and there is a preferred world and SE hits the button to do the initiative to get people to transfer. You can transfer for free. Get 500k back, get 3 million for lost permanent items. Its an easy way to make gil and add more to yoru bank for a bigger plot possibly, sometimes you simply move to a different server on the same DC. Other times it maybe for another world on a different DC. Just foood for though. I done this a couple of times even when I had a small plot.

[ERMITANYO]

You can't crossbreed, which is required for most stuff you want to grow (Thavnarian Onions among many other things). But you already knew that with your sarcastic tone.

No sarcasm i assure you, my apologies if you misunderstood, but going back to what i simply suggested, apartments are available why not get one, yes its small but there are inherent benefits.

Until such time SE implements a solution, possibly by adding more wards like what they are inclined to be doing, or enabling an instanced form of housing with communal farms on the side.

[Ravenblade1979]

Truth is, right now you thinks relocation is unfair, that is only because you don’t have a house at the moment.
Once you have a plot and it is highly it is not an ideal location, you will ask for the ability to relocate.
Every major plot release, you will be one of the people trying to login to see if you can move to a better location.
Of course, there will be people claiming that they have a house and they are not interest in relocation, but these people lack of credibility.
I personally I don’t even trust any words from these people on the high horse
If there is a chance they will relocate.
People need to be realistic and logically and stop chewing on ideas that challenge other people’s freedom.
It doesn’t work that way because NA and EU mostly established on personal freedom and right.
Take way people’s right to relocate and grandfathered houses obtained legally will never works; even CN, JP, and KO regions will never support such ideas

What freedoms am I infringing on? A recommendation to ungrandfather peoples extras is because there were and probably still are people who own whole wards. How is this fair to the players who want housing. 28 of those plots can be freed up for that. The current rule is 1 personal and 1 fc per player per world per service account. It was unfair to grandfather in peoples extras and show therest of the playerbase they are excluded from what the rest have no choice but to follow.

I actually didnt move either of my plots. First thing is I sleep at night and when maintenance is done I'm still asleep. I am not waking up to take a brand new plot causing my old one with the hidden timer to open thereby defeating the purpose.

Suspending relocation for a short amount of time when new wards open wont kill anyone. It's not a perfect solution but just might have the cry die down a bit. People like you who are highly against intellectual suggestions meant to help the general playerbase are the ones I dont trust. You are the sort who are all about what you want.

If you already got a house and a fc house then leave open plots to those who dont have. They pay their sub too. They want to partake of the housing aspect like we do. Instead they get people who only care about what they want while stepping on those without.

How was that told to me. "Dog eat dog" and it's sad this community has that mindset. Theres no helping each other anymore. I see more toxic, a 11 month ongoing phishing scam, consistent stuff that's not right in limsas with people who frankly should have been banned ages ago.

I know I dont control people but Aether doesnt have a good rep and its general established playerbase is why. I know people who leave aether who end up happier. That says alot about this data center

[TwistedTea]

A recommendation to ungrandfather peoples extras is because there were and probably still are people who own whole wards. How is this fair to the players who want housing. 28 of those plots can be freed up for that.

28 plots is insignificant given the player populations on each server. Secondly, the people who were grandfathered in with multiple personals did so at a time when the rules permitted such a thing. If they lose their personals to autodemo, they will never get those back. Rather than asking for SE to take away things from people who played by the rules, ask SE instead to fix the fundamental issue;that there's a severe shortage of persistent ward housing.

The current rule is 1 personal and 1 fc per player per world per service account.

This is incorrect. You can own 1 personal and 8 FC houses per server. Also, there's a distinction between purchasing from the placard and inheriting FC houses.

Here we have a GM response to a ward owner who reported themselves to the GM for owning multiple FC houses:

https://imgur.com/BQRSzbV

Blame SE for choosing to go with persistent ward housing rather than fully instanced housing so that every player could have a house.

Given that SE has consistently doubled down on the persistent ward housing, the best we can hope for is making apartments upgradeable for gil to condos/penthouses with balconies for gardening and workshop access.

When autodemo resumes, improved apartments would go a long way to reduce the demand on ward housing for many servers.

[Jojoya]

Is it great that up to 720 people get to skip the camp? Of course.

Except many of those players never got to skip the camp. They already went through it at the point they first got a house. They might have even done it multiple times, losing out on their initial attempts, finally getting a house but not at a location they actually wanted.

Now they were given the opportunity to relocate to a location they do want without camping again. There's nothing wrong with that since it doesn't change the net available supply.

New wards are the fix, and new players deserve a share, but not a monopoly.

Except they aren't a fix. They're another band-aid trying to keep a broken system functioning a little longer while we lack a working system.

Of course, there will be people claiming that they have a house and they are not interest in relocation, but these people lack of credibility.

Why do I lack credibility? I have the plot and location I want (Mist 60). There is no plot currently in the game I want over the one I already have. If I wanted to relocate, I easily could have done it during the 5.1 ward additions. I've got no interest in moving to Ishgard once that housing opens.

Can I guarantee that won't change in the future? No, because I don't know what new housing will get added in the future. If there is a new housing district added and I like how it looks, I might change my mind at that point. But for now, I've got zero reason to relocate because there isn't another plot I'd rather own.

I can't think of anyone I know that isn't honest about their desire to relocate if they get the opportunity. They've got no reason to hide it.

You probably should be more careful about going around accusing people of lying when you know next to nothing about their personal interests and desires.

You can't crossbreed, which is required for most stuff you want to grow (Thavnarian Onions among many other things). But you already knew that with your sarcastic tone.

And most players have no interest in growing things, let alone going through cross-breeding the seeds. '

A house may be needed by the tiny percentage of players who want to do it but it's irrelevant for the majority. Most of those tiny percentage of players could get access if they talked to their friends who have a house but aren't doing their own gardening or by checking with their FC if their FC has a house. That's how I was gardening before I was able to buy my house - I used the garden at a friend's house because his interest in gardening only goes as far as growing the fruits to change his chocobo's color when he feels like doing that. Now I've got my own house, his garden goes empty 50 weeks a year.

How was that told to me. "Dog eat dog" and it's sad this community has that mindset.

That's a human thing. Don't act like it only happens in this community. It happens everywhere.

This is one of those instances where a community doesn't really benefit from people choosing to "do the right thing" because doing the right thing doesn't solve the problem for the community. Take away all houses in excess of one from every service account and you're still not going to have nearly enough houses for every player to own a house. We're talking a total 391k houses worldwide for an active player population in excess of 1.2 million. Even if 50% of all houses were owned by players with multiple houses (regardless of personal/FC/other world allowances), we get maybe 100k houses made available to serve the 800k players that don't have one.

Certainly it would be nice if everyone was willing to do the right thing and at least that additional 100k were able to get a house.

What are you going to tell the 700k+ players that still can't get a house?

Here we have a GM response to a ward owner who reported themselves to the GM for owning multiple FC houses:

https://imgur.com/BQRSzbV

Why does this keep getting thrown around as proof it's okay for a single service account to own 8 FC houses on the same world.

The GM states the player needs to refer to the Lodestone update. The Lodestone update clearly states "Players may only own one private and one free company estate per World on any given service account."

Additional questions are met with "I can't offer any additional information".

[Penthea]

Why do I lack credibility? I have the plot and location I want (Mist 60). There is no plot currently in the game I want over the one I already have. If I wanted to relocate, I easily could have done it during the 5.1 ward additions. I've got no interest in moving to Ishgard once that housing opens.

Can I guarantee that won't change in the future? No, because I don't know what new housing will get added in the future. If there is a new housing district added and I like how it looks, I might change my mind at that point. But for now, I've got zero reason to relocate because there isn't another plot I'd rather own.

I can't think of anyone I know that isn't honest about their desire to relocate if they get the opportunity. They've got no reason to hide it.

You probably should be more careful about going around accusing people of lying when you know next to nothing about their personal interests and desires.

Yea I'm one of these people. When I got my personal house I had the insane luck of getting one of my two dream plots. I have flirted with the idea of trying to move to the other plot but I ended up realising it was out of wanting a change of scenery and I would miss things about the plot I have now. With what's available now I have no intention of moving. But I don't know what the future will bring so perhaps locations I love even more will be introduced. I've had the same plot location for four years. I don't like what I have seen of Ishgard housing (not a fan of all the grey and coldness about it) so I'm definitely going to be keeping the same plot for at least another few years.

As for my fc we did relocate. But the decision to do so was not only mine. We asked our fc how they felt about the locations we were in, and if they would prefer a different place. We relocated twice. Once before the relocation mechanic was in the game (that was a very stressful move even though it was 5am when most were asleep) and the second time was in 4.2 when relocation came to the game. We've been at the same plot since. Some expressed an interest in Ishgard but more want to stay where we are so it looks like we won't be moving.

[TwistedTea]

Why does this keep getting thrown around as proof it's okay for a single service account to own 8 FC houses on the same world.

The GM states the player needs to refer to the Lodestone update. The Lodestone update clearly states "Players may only own one private and one free company estate per World on any given service account."

We've been through this before. That website speaks about purchasing land. It states:
Temporary Changes to Purchasing Land

In addition, it does not speak about inheriting FC houses from other players

In the screenshot, GM Voxpainet states that:

"If the game systems in place are allowing you to keep and/or purchase multiple housing plots on those properties on the same account then that means you are able to possess those specific properties."

Now contrast this with SE's response to something more recent when a house went missing after maintenance:

"We understand that you have encountered an aspect of the game that is not working as intended and we apologise for any inconvenience caused by this issue.

This issue has been brought to our attention and has been confirmed to be working incorrectly. As we continue to investigate, please note that updates may be posted on The Lodestone website at https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/.

Thank you for your patience and understanding whilst we investigate this issue."

SE has known about multiple FC house ownership on the same account for years. And people have reported themselves or others have reported people for owning multiple FC houses.

You'd think if it was against the TOS, SE would have clearly stated that by now?