Disappointed by last housing rush

[Almagnus1]

The difference is they already have a house, which is why some people are upset they can relocate to new wards. I don't agree with removing relocation or putting limits on where you can relocate to, but I can understand why people who don't have a house view those who relocate as a problem. The placard timer adds to the issue because even if you know where their old and now empty plot is, the placard timer means your chances of getting that plot are far lower than simply being first to arrive at an unclaimed plot in a new ward.

I'm not sure how this situation can improve without adding a tremendous amount of wards or just having instanced housing.

Also even if relocation is removed or had limits on areas that can be relocated to, many who were against relocation would end up changing their mind if they got a plot that is, for whatever reason, far from the ideal choice.

Again...the problem goes back to a lack of houses. Like most problems with the housing system.

I mean, you could always open the houses at server launch for relo only for like a day or two, then open everything up on a timer for purchase. This way you let the relos happen first, which allow for house hunting in the other wards, while also allowing people to plan around what gets relo'd into. While that gives a huge advantage to relo'ing, it also lets the relos open up land in the older wards which may be just the house someone was looking for.

1) It's not fair to take housing away from people who were grandfathered. They didn't break any rules when they bought their houses.

This is a situation where you can't look at what's done historically, but what happens now.

I wonder how many people would keep their grandfathered in house if they had ports to all of them.

2) I agree with this one. FC housing is the most abused housing mechanic in terms of using it to flip/sell plots. If you go to the reddit where they are selling houses, it's usually selling an FC attached or they are selling relocation. Get rid of FC housing and you will see most of the housing market gone.

That would also screw over legitimate FC houses (like the one I'm in). I've suggested multiple times to have the FC check for unique subscriptions, and if it doesn't have at least 4, the house gets flagged for demolition after a period of time. However, the demo timer for an FC should countdown to zero once the subscriptions drop below 4, and start counting up to maximum duration once the subscriptions count hits at least 4. There's several FCs that are failed FCs for some reason or another, and SE needs to give players stronger incentive to let go of the failed FC. That said, SE should definitely making the workshop and gardening to be more generally accessible so there's not THAT much pressure to be in an FC (as you can get many of the weaker buffs from the GC), so an FC tends to be more of a social thing.

[Ravenblade1979]

I must say it was honestly refreshing to read through all views. The devs would do well to read all of it.

[Almagnus1]

And one thought related to the entire shell FC thing is the FFXIV housing market (which is at https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXIVhousingmarket/ btw). One of the pinned posts on that subreddit (specifically https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXIVhousin..._not_condoned/ ) pretty much sums up why I really don't like this aspect of housing:

[Info] Reminder of RMT - It is not condoned.
Hey gang,

For about the past year, there have been many reports about RMT activity on the subreddit.

I've gone ahead and set automoderator to remind every post about RMT.

Unfortunately, Moderators don't have much power in who is able to message you about plots, even if they're banned from the subreddit. Viewing the subreddit while banned is easy, and trying to keep up with scammer's new accounts is similar to a game of moderator whack-a-mole.

I appreciate all the mentions of users who are sending message of RMT. The best options are to ignore them, or tell them no. Losing Gil in a video game for a possible scamming is one thing, but anyone doing deals with people asking for real money, (especially when the RMT scammer more than likely doesn't own the plot), is just asking to be scammed.



Please be careful when dealing with users of RMT.

Thank you,

[Arazehl]

I must say it was honestly refreshing to read through all views. The devs would do well to read all of it.

The thing is the devs have seen numerous posts like this one stating pretty much the same views. I'm sure they are aware by now of the housing issues long before this post. The odds of them addressing said issues is slim to none, unless it involves RMT buying into the housing markets it seems the issue will be around for a good while to come.

One thing I wish they would do to help the issue, is to allow alts to share housing with the accounts primary land owner. Automatically flag not just the plot owner of private property, but any alts on the same server as already a part of the housing system. And fix the FC buying loopholes too.

[ERMITANYO]

Until such time when there will be a solution to the housing inadequacy, I suggest buying an Apartment, it cost 500k but is exempted from auto demolition so even if you don't log in more than a month you will still have the apartment when you come back. Also, you are safe from displacement unlike fc rooms wherein you would loose your room if the fc disbanded or you leave or get kicked-out.

Here is an example:

Here is my apartment:

[Ravenblade1979]

I wanted to touch on something. A few seem to be on the other side of the point I was making about suspending relocation for new wards.

I suggested this because this housing was meant for people without but what we got was people and FCs with established housing taking prime plots and stuff.

I really see all sides but to be against people without having a shot at a house is pretty selfish. I could have joined that side and moved my fc and private to bigger plots but why. I had houses already.

The new wards were meant for the increase in players, not established players or fcs being selfish taking up plots in the new wards simply because they wanted bigger or to troll people or wanted some prime plot they been thirsting for.

Aether by and large has shown time and again it's got alot of these types of people. A suspension of plot transfer for a period of time wouldnt have hurt anyone. We all know most probably would have taken smalls and probably had left some larges and mediums open for when relocation suspension lifted.

It's a graceful solution to a problem I see all the time. Heck I know someone on ada sitting on 10 mansions trying to sell them (wait that's another point I was making with fc selling attached to housing).

[KayRadley]

Until such time when there will be a solution to the housing inadequacy, I suggest buying an Apartment, it cost 500k but is exempted from auto demolition so even if you don't log in more than a month you will still have the apartment when you come back. Also, you are safe from displacement unlike fc rooms wherein you would loose your room if the fc disbanded or you leave or get kicked-out.

Here is an example:

THANK YOU. I've been suggesting this for the longest time, but whenever I do, people reply as though I'm asking them to make do with some basement hovel that is infested with roaches.

[Penthea]

I suggested this because this housing was meant for people without but what we got was people and FCs with established housing taking prime plots and stuff.

If it was only meant for them then SE would not have permitted relocation to them.

I suppose what SE could do in a future release of wards is they could have half of them be only for relocation, and the other half be only for those who are not in possession of the house type they are buying (whether that's personal or fc). And then after a period of time, maybe a week, remove the limitations so that any remaining plots can be bought or relocated to by anyone.

However to make the above a good ward launch a pretty big chunk of wards would need to be released. A mere total of four would definitely not satisfy the demand on NA even with a split to mitigate some issues. I think it would have to be at least eight wards.

[Catstab]

The new wards were meant for the increase in players, not established players or fcs being selfish taking up plots in the new wards simply because they wanted bigger or wanted some prime plot they[sic] been thirsting for.

This is not correct.

Auto-demolition being off effects everyone. New wards are for everyone.

Maybe you have a small house, but since then you've scrimped and saved and can afford a large. When one opens up, you plan to buy it. Well, new wards opened up 72 new larges that haven't otherwise been opening up due to auto-demolition shutdown. This is as much your chance as anyone else's. And you moving up to a large doesn't mean one of the 720 new houses is gone. It just moves it to an old ward.

Is it great that up to 720 people get to skip the camp? Of course. I made a reddit post detailing the urgency of getting a house during this update and recommending some strategies for house hunters. It meant a lot to me that some players get to skip the dreadful process of camping. Does that mean relocators should have no chance? Of course it doesn't. Relocators have been waiting for their dream plots, and auto-demolitions halt has kept them from being able to claim them. New wards are the fix, and new players deserve a share, but not a monopoly.

[Divinemights]

Truth is, right now you thinks relocation is unfair, that is only because you don’t have a house at the moment.
Once you have a plot and it is highly it is not an ideal location, you will ask for the ability to relocate.
Every major plot release, you will be one of the people trying to login to see if you can move to a better location.
Of course, there will be people claiming that they have a house and they are not interest in relocation, but these people lack of credibility.
I personally I don’t even trust any words from these people on the high horse
If there is a chance they will relocate.
People need to be realistic and logically and stop chewing on ideas that challenge other people’s freedom.
It doesn’t work that way because NA and EU mostly established on personal freedom and right.
Take way people’s right to relocate and grandfathered houses obtained legally will never works; even CN, JP, and KO regions will never support such ideas