Which fight Should be the 5.4 Unreal?

[Driavna]

With devs saying they weren't happy with Shiva Unreal clears rate I will say next will be another primal with simple mechanics accompanied with a less tight DPS check. Probably Sophia.

[RicaRuin]

Ultima would be fun. You can't cheese the Tank Swap.

[Flay_wind]

With devs saying they weren't happy with Shiva Unreal clears rate I will say next will be another primal with simple mechanics accompanied with a less tight DPS check. Probably Sophia.

I am not quite sure what they could actually do. Shiva has like 3 simple mechanics.
Levi or Garuda maybe?
Also Sophia would destroy usual PF groups at min ilvl.

[Ceasaria]

Would like to see Ravana

[Vyrerus]

Hmm, if they're unsatisfied with Shiva clear rates, I imagine they're comparing the Unreal clear rates for one whole patch duration to the Extreme clears from one whole patch duration. Maybe they thought they gave us the easiest primal, but they couldn't be sure or aren't taking the terrible reward system into consideration.

Hmmm, easier than Shiva Extreme... Hmmm.... I know tons of people beat the smack out of Leviathan Extreme with almost no trouble at all. I'd assume him to be next then. Especially since they recently tightened up his Tidal Wave vs. the Magitek forcefield generator.

Maybe it'd be easier to list which ones we know would be too hard if revisited.

No Way in the 7 Hells list:
Sephirot Ex
Nidhogg Ex
Thordan Ex
Zurvan Ex (there will be no skipping Soar)
Titan Ex
Moggle Mog Ex (Phew)
Shinryu Ex
Tsukuyomi Ex

I think everything else is fair game, but regardless of what they pick, I don't think they'll see a pop-up in clear numbers because the rewards just make doing it not worthwhile.

[LineageRazor]

Judging by my experiences in Mentor Roulette, Titan won't be the killer, Moggle Mog won't be the killer - it will be Ramuh that turns out to be the real problem.

The coordination to clean orbs while keeping some available for tanks, along with players needing to shock folks out of stun without giving them TOO MUCH shock, tanks needing to occasionally dip into Overcharge to leave orbs for chains - Ramuh requires cooparation and coordinaiton more than any other ARR primal. It's the only ARR primal that I can't reliably clear in Mentor roulette.

[SannaR]

Yes, bring on the screams from people forgetting that the middle is not a safe zone and just died to delta attack again. I'm so glad the moogles didn't drop a pony and just a super rare crafting mat.

[Gemina]

I am not quite sure what they could actually do. Shiva has like 3 simple mechanics.
Levi or Garuda maybe?
Also Sophia would destroy usual PF groups at min ilvl.

Attention levels scale up and down to the fight. An example of that would be Shiva's column knockback attack. It comes during bow phase. Everyone knows it comes during bow phase. Everyone is DPSing away as she mostly auto attacks in this stance, and then boom! 3-6 players get blasted out of nowhere. It is called tunnel visioning.

I would not be surprised if a mechanically more difficult fight is actually cleared at a higher rate than Shiva Unreal.

[Liam_Harper]

With devs saying they weren't happy with Shiva Unreal clears rate

It's their own fault. Shiva unreal is very simple on mechanics. The "difficulty" is in the enrage timer. It requires you do a reasonable rotation and know your class moderately well before stepping into endgame. Sounds fair, but somehow it's a stumbling block.

The devs have spent years fostering a hand-hold mindset that does everything to avoid asking the player to know their class or learn a proper rotation. All the MSQ and all instances right up to and including lv80 can be completed doing below 50% of your potential. Even in EX and the first 3 Savage bosses you can scrape though with some subpar players and multiple deaths, as long as a few have gear, play well and can carry. I've seen e5s with no damage healers, or healers beating most of the dps and still managing to scrape a clear, and let's not start on 15 death Ruby EX clears.

Unreal Shiva just highlights how bad it has become.

[Delis]

Would like to see Ravana

I second this one.