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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if the event that led to the Final Days was something none of the Ancients truly understood. The figments present in Emet-Selch's Amaurot are based on his own recollection, and all they have to say about it is that it started with a sound, and that it was as if the world had taken ill. They don't seem to know anything further than that, and if Emet-Selch himself knew, he didn't care to share that info. The recording of Venat and her followers only added to this, with their apparent belief that Zodiark hadn't done enough to prevent the Final Days from happening again, while their solution was to create a second god expressly for the purpose of sealing him away so he couldn't do more. In other words, their solution doesn't actually appear to address the problem, and given their dismissive attitude towards the Convocation, they come across as surprisingly arrogant and unthinking.

    ... and, of course, their solution to prevent the destruction of the world directly resulted in the destruction of their world, which is just icing on the tragedy cake. I really hope we haven't heard the end of all of this, 'cause Hydaelyn and/or Venat has a lot of explaining to do. Or apologizing, or both.
    I don't think the followers of Venat were dismissive towards the Convocation, nor were they arrogant and unthinking. Its pretty clear that open debate and discussion were highly valued by Ancients of Amarout, yet Venat's followers confirm that the Convocation refuses to hear what they have to say about the summoning of Zodiark. Venat's followers feel backed into a corner, post-Zodiark but before Hydaelyn, because the Convocation had become tempered to Zodiark, literally forgoing a pillar of their civilization--debate and discussion--to stay the course for their new god. Even if this is the wrong choice.

    Furthermore, there isn't any evidence that sundering the world cause "destruction" of their world. But this like many other things needs to be cleared up by Hydaelyn and I think given the revelation of Shadowbringers and the implications of the WOL's history, we need to have a long over due chat with Hydaelyn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    I don't think the followers of Venat were dismissive towards the Convocation, nor were they arrogant and unthinking. Its pretty clear that open debate and discussion were highly valued by Ancients of Amarout, yet Venat's followers confirm that the Convocation refuses to hear what they have to say about the summoning of Zodiark.
    Which must have been a shock to the system for them. A civilisation that values debate being shut down by what can only be described as brainwashed ideologues.

    As many have said, it couldn't have been all sunshine and rainbows. Elidibus himself implied in his final moments that, at an indeterminate time after becoming Zodiark, the Convocation where fighting and could not come to an agreement on what to do about "The fate of this star". And wouldn't have if he hadn't manifested himself to give them his "Reconcilliation". Heck in a recent short story it implied that most of the Convocation where so sick of Azem's antics that they couldn't have thrown him out fast enough. Going so far as to leave his seat empty and wouldn't have his own memory crystal if he wasn't good friends with Emet and Hythlodeus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Who knows maybe they do know what happened and understand that the only way to save any kind of life was through splitting it up. Maybe they understood very well what the consequences would be and that they would take it because it would guarantee the survival of not only their race (which was only the few surviving Amaurotines anyway, the rest was new life that would have died through sacrifice) but the whole world? Primals should only be able to do what their summoners wants them to do. Hydealyn having the ability to seemingly split the world apart seems to be a strange one if it was not intended that way.
    Makes me think about what Emet said about Zodiark being "The Will of this Star made manifest". One possibility is that they where literal in that assessment and bonded Zodiark to the planet somehow. So Venat and the dissenters thinking of of giving Hydelyn the Divide power must not have forseen that splitting Zodiark would split the planet too.

    But this is all just speculation at this point.
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