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    Quote Originally Posted by Morningstar1337 View Post
    I have to agree that there is likely no possible way to unsunder the world without destroying the shards, I'm also the the opinion that unsundering itself seems to be detrimental even if the worlds and their inhabitants were left alive and themselves at the end, due to the nature of the Final Days.

    When the choice is between 5-14 stable worlds of mortals less likely to have cosmic repercussions to their universe or one world of immortals that inevitably screwed themselves over (I'm of the opinion that the Sound and its effects were borne from their own creation magicks and the star's response) I'm going with the former.
    I don't really like the idea it was specifically a retaliation by the star in response to the Ancient's creation magicks.

    First, because it was killing the star. So bad move on that one. Second, because all Ancients were inherently born with the capacity for creation magic, it was as natural as breathing to them and even newborns could do it. I can see creation magic causing it in some ways, but not that it was something inherently antithetical or unnatural to the star itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    I don't really like the idea it was specifically a retaliation by the star in response to the Ancient's creation magicks.

    First, because it was killing the star. So bad move on that one. Second, because all Ancients were inherently born with the capacity for creation magic, it was as natural as breathing to them and even newborns could do it. I can see creation magic causing it in some ways, but not that it was something inherently antithetical or unnatural to the star itself.
    Maybe it will be a bit of both. Even if they are born with the capacity for creation magic (and that one short story with the grapes seems to hint that there are less powerful people living at the same time) does not mean that they cant throw nature out of balance. They probably used that magic for everything.

    Its with us and technology. It can be used in a good way that wont harm nature much or it can be too much. And then if nature is hurt too much it will hit back. Not in a sentient kind of way of course but simply reacting naturally to something that happens. Which would also make sense on why the Ancient seemingly did not notice a problem until it was too late. If its something from out of space, they kinda should have noticed an impact and threat from the moment it landed. Of course it can still happen, but honestly I would also not see it out of the way that they were unknowingly the cause for their own downfall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    That's what we've been told about. We've been shown a glimpse of Amaurot but not the wider world. We don't know if the whole world is "perfect and peaceful" or if it's simply Amaurotine society that works that way.

    Also there's nothing to say they had "more fulfilled" lives just because they lived longer. That's all relative anyway. And a whole life in a repressive conformist society might not be all that fulfilling to some people anyway.

    And then there's the question of what "rewriting the laws of the star" did to it all and whether Emet's dreamed-of perfect world would even still exist if it remained unsundered.
    We know at least from the short stories that all was not well there. The soul that latched onto phoenix would not exist that way if it had not suffered something horrible. Then we have the people that seemingly would have stayed while their homes would have been destroyed by the vulcano. Its only Azim that seemingly did not accept that. Also Azims job alone is showing that some kind of conflict or danger must have existed too otherwise they would not need to travel the world and punch stuff with their friends.

    I also doubt that the survivors of a rejoining would ever truly be happy about what happened. And since they once had been mortals too who is to say that suddenly all would be without conflict. So I agree Emets perfect world would not exist anymore. You would need to temper all these individuals...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post

    ... and, of course, their solution to prevent the destruction of the world directly resulted in the destruction of their world, which is just icing on the tragedy cake. I really hope we haven't heard the end of all of this, 'cause Hydaelyn and/or Venat has a lot of explaining to do. Or apologizing, or both.
    Who knows maybe they do know what happened and understand that the only way to save any kind of life was through splitting it up. Maybe they understood very well what the consequences would be and that they would take it because it would guarantee the survival of not only their race (which was only the few surviving Amaurotines anyway, the rest was new life that would have died through sacrifice) but the whole world? Primals should only be able to do what their summoners wants them to do. Hydealyn having the ability to seemingly split the world apart seems to be a strange one if it was not intended that way.

    Honestly I wonder if we will find out that the world being sundered was the solution to it all and that it was the cost for people being able to live a life (and have free will). Heck even if Azim seemingly was not on their side at that time (which is only a glimpse of what happens) maybe they became a part of that after seeing that there was no punching solution.
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