Blue mage is a waste of potential, change my mind.

[Auryan]

-gish gallop in written form-

I haven't suggested any of that. I don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth. Not once have I said that the spells should be a direct copy of the enemies learned from. And for a very obvious reason: it'd be impractical. Using your Fire Angon example. The spell is a boss mechanic that spawns adds that pulsates fire damage. Can you imagine that in a group setting where they're littered all over the place?
I'd be ridiculous to assume all of the spells would have literal game breaking properties, so I'm not going down that rabbit hole. Feel free if you want to.

And I'm so not interested in your theory crafting. But good on ya.

[Shougun]

I haven't suggested any of that. I don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth. Not once have I said that the spells should be a direct copy of the enemies learned from. And for a very obvious reason: it'd be impractical. Using your Fire Angon example. The spell is a boss mechanic that spawns adds that pulsates fire damage. Can you imagine that in a group setting where they're littered all over the place?
I'd be ridiculous to assume all of the spells would have literal game breaking properties, so I'm not going down that rabbit hole. Feel free if you want to.

And I'm so not interested in your theory crafting. But good on ya.

Nice (Edit: read next page, leaving for history, but next page adds some nice context)

"It's for true blue!" Followed by "I'm not interested in having spells that directly do what the monster's spells do due to balance".


Incredible. Now I understand true blue is a meaningless word when you use it. If you use it to refer to kit building then you'd still be meaningless since that's just one game and is hardly a core aspect of 'true' blue.


Doesn't need the spell the monster uses, cause that be game breaking you say. Hilarious, same logic people use to want DF blue but then you cry true blue.


Gish gallop is here but is not from me. You've no logical consistency. Learning spells could've been done through solo play, DF, and quests, and by your own words they don't have to be direct monster equivalence if it concerns balance (and will still be 'trueee' blue). Even if you thought it impossible for a blue mage to learn skills you'd still have a DF blue that meets the blue 'magic' logic you've just given me (even if modified they're still blue magic spells). Though I call bull on that it is impossible to have a learning spell DF job (given that they level fast, so that extra time can be spent learning).


You've just used the logic DF players have used, that the spell doesn't have to be exactly alike to be blue magic. Only thing left is you dont think DF blue can learn spells and others do, if they made a DF blue that learned spells despite your lack of ingenuity then it's 'true blue' by the flimsy, and relatively meaningless, word I now know you use.

[Auryan]

Nice



"It's for true blue!" Followed by "I'm not interested in having spells that directly do what the monster's spellsin do due to balance".


Incredible. Now I understand true blue is a meaningless word when you use it.


Doesn't need the spell the monster uses, cause that be game breaking you say. Hilarious, same logic people use to want DF blue but then you cry true blue.


Fish gallop is here but is not from me. You've no logical consistency. Learning spells could've been done through solo play, DF, and quests, and by your own words they don't have to be direct monster equivalence.


You've just used the logic DF players have used.

A non-3000 word, rambling essay of a reply? Very nice.

Again, you've claimed something I haven't said, proceeded to create straw men and false dichotomies, misrepresent my opinions (and the developers') and then have the audacity to call me "logically inconsistent"?

I have never used the term "true blue" you keep repeating about and have have never called BLU as needing to have 1:1 copies of monster abilities. You and only you have. And as far as this...conversation is concerned, you're having it only with yourself.

[Shougun]

A non-3000 word, rambling essay of a reply? Very nice.

Again, you've claimed something I haven't said, proceeded to create straw men and false dichotomies, misrepresent my opinions (and the developers') and then have the audacity to call me "logically inconsistent"?

I have never used the term "true blue" you keep repeating about and have have never called BLU as needing to have 1:1 copies of monster abilities. You and only you have. And as far as this...conversation is concerned, you're having it only with yourself.

This chain started directly from you quoting me on true blue. Also at the very start of blue mage release you had said they were making blue to be it's original form and so it needed to be limited.

[Auryan]

This chain started directly from you quoting me on true blue. Also at the very start of blue mage release you had said they were making blue to be it's original form and so it needed to be limited.

Must've missed that. Still, it's your term and I have never used it or plan to.

You remember what I wrote almost two years ago? I don't. Since you're really counting on this "gotcha!" moment, you can have it. You win, hurray. Is this conversation over now?

[Shougun]

Must've missed that. Still, it's your term and I have never used it or plan to.

You remember what I wrote almost two years ago? I don't. Since you're really counting on this "gotcha!" moment, you can have it. You win, hurray. Is this conversation over now?

I do, I found you notable at the time (not an insult). If you say whatever said then what you mean and claim now is what you mean- okay. Things don't have to be stuck in annoying stone, but I was using what you said long ago in addition to what you quoted me on to formulate the conversation. If you did not intend that to be part of it (your quote on me, which included that catch phrase wording) and whatever long ago is long ago and now is 'now'- okay.


Conversation ends since points based on were not apparently intended. Also doesn't mean I win . . Lol.


Fun to learn the word gish gallop though, I enjoyed learning that.

[ItMe]

Some have said SQEX mentioned in passing they could make BLU a full job. I've been digging to try and find a source for that, but in the process I kinda found them saying the opposite in an interview from last year with Destructoid (link at bottom):


"As far as whether or not Square Enix considers it a success, Yoshida answered with a resounding 'yes.'"


Obviously that says nothing about where they might want to take Blue Mage in the future, but it seems like for the time being the job is implemented as intended and, as far as I can find, no one from SQEX has commented publicly that it needs fixing.


https://www.destructoid.com/stories/...e-543587.phtml