Blue mage is a waste of potential, change my mind.

[Raikai]

Blue Mage Log is an All Blue Mage Party and again I am going to have to point this out. Not everyone will put in the effort to obtain the spells necessary for each role unless they are well informed about it and most of the time they would skip to level 60 with power leveling. So either adding it as a Blue Mage or Limited Job only queue would be a disaster if anything.

But what is the difference? Using the BLU party finder tool nets the same random people that a Blue roulette would... It's just that adding this roulette it would create somewhat of an influx of blue mages running their dungeons, thus it wouldn't be as barren as it is today. Plus the manual party finder would still be there.

Just to clarify: when I mean roulette and queue-able dungeons, I mean for parties only of Blue Mages

[Volsungr]

Blue Mage Log is an All Blue Mage Party and again I am going to have to point this out. Not everyone will put in the effort to obtain the spells necessary for each role unless they are well informed about it and most of the time they would skip to level 60 with power leveling. So either adding it as a Blue Mage or Limited Job only queue would be a disaster if anything.

some dungeon aren't as appealing as the others,(for example coincounter from aurumv ale) and if most blue mages found their skills they don't want to redo that dungeon. by giving some incentives, hopefully it'll revitalize the scarcity of people doing the blue mages. it's not much but it's a start, better than not starting at all.

[TeraTyrantShadic]

But what is the difference? Using the BLU party finder tool nets the same random people that a Blue roulette would... It's just that adding this roulette it would create somewhat of an influx of blue mages running their dungeons, thus it wouldn't be as barren as it is today. Plus the manual party finder would still be there.

Just to clarify: when I mean roulette and queue-able dungeons, I mean for parties only of Blue Mages

There is no difference, other than the fact that if Blue Mage participates normally in Duty Roulette then it'll be 5 mins or less queue time and they are most likely be slotted in a DPS making a far easier time and a guaranteed clear preventing unnecessary wipes and confusion. Plus we have to take into account that there are people who will sign up to do Blue Mage and won't put in the effort meaning they can lack certain spells for certain roles crucial for survival since everyone will be synced so we really can't ignore that. Adding a Blue Mage Roulette will be useless, I mean we had an idea of putting spells amount restriction or specific spell restrictions but then you may as well do it in a normal Duty Finder to save time and money. Plus people want to find the specific spells and not play random dungeons or do a roulette to pray for a dungeon they get to learn the spells they want, so the most effective way for them to learn is through picking specific dungeons that holds the spell and queue with 3 others. The most ideal setup would have been all 4 Blue Mage for the Blue Mage Log, but with 5.4 hopefully people will be more active doing that but after 1/2 weeks then what? Roulette isn't going to do much to keep it alive if anything.

People who do roulette now are doing it for Phantasmagoria and Allegory and the Cracked Clusters/Planiclusters, I doubt a Blue Mage only Roulette will be having these currencies and will only be Poetics (Which is very easily obtainable and abundant, I can just farm it in Eureka and in 30 mins I may have 2k) as the cap for it is Level 70 while Alliance seals I highly doubt it since it really is only obtained through first time completion and weekly objectives of Masked Carnival and Blue Mage Log also Hunts provide them but at this point they are useless and only meant for minion and Blue Mage exclusive gear. Plus the Cracked Cluster/Planiclusters are one the things that make people want the Materia and if we do an All Blue Mage roulette you can't really obtain it because it is only an Adventurer in Need (Role) reward. So really running Blue Mage Roulette just for poetics isn't that big of an incentive, and again it'll be far more efficient just to grab a few friends and queue together for a specific dungeon to learn a specific spell. Plus you can still get it even if everyone is not a Blue Mage, so already a Blue Mage roulette is a far fetched idea and it will never work. A level 80 synced down to a Level 70, the dungeon will already be easier than a 4 Blue Mage party if not near similar in terms of clear time.

You can make a premade party and still queue for a specific dungeon with Party Finder. However it more to do with convenience over organisation. Where most MMO nowadays prefer to have these Duty Finders where players are automatically matched to the roles they have chosen to streamline the process and make things easier and convenient for people who may have an unpredictable schedule and want to queue for things with ease rather than waiting over 30+ mins. An example would be the Bitter Memory farm. There are two ways, queuing Level 60 Dungeons and farming it or going to Bozja and farming mobs. Normally people would think the Bozja Method would be easier, however it requires a group of people which is sometimes inconvenient especially when someone has to leave and you may have to replace that person, not just that but the drop rate is by chance. Whereas Level 60 Dungeon farming may seem slower but it is far reliable and you can queue for it any time removing the organizing factor making things a lot more convenient plus the drop rate is 100%. Even if both drop rates are 100% most people tend to pick the one with the most easy solo method which would be running the same Lv 60 dungeon. If Blue Mage were to queue in normal roulettes or duty finder they would have a much easier time learning their spells and abilities.

Even with PF you can still learn the spells regardless of the other 3 classes. As long you have a full party of 4 or 8 of any kind of class composition as long one of them is a Blue Mage, you can still learn Blue Magic form the mobs in the instances 100% of the time as long you are a Blue Mage which just makes a reason for an exclusive roulette for Blue Mages obsolete. When you can just do the same with a normal party composition with 1 of the DPS being a Blue Mage. Same applies to party finder, people can come and help out as a Paladin or whatever class they choose to and still a 100% learn rate. Honestly it would have been far better, rather than just doing an exclusive Blue Mage Roulette or an all Blue Mage party just for a spell. Blue Mage log isn't mandatory either its just there giving one time rewards and that is just about it.

some dungeon aren't as appealing as the others,(for example coincounter from aurumv ale) and if most blue mages found their skills they don't want to redo that dungeon. by giving some incentives, hopefully it'll revitalize the scarcity of people doing the blue mages. it's not much but it's a start, better than not starting at all.

I see where you are getting at, but with the cap being at level 70 I highly doubt the incentives to rerun unappealing dungeons isn't all that glamorous since it is alliance seals, poetics and gil. Literally there are far more effective ways to farm poetics and gil, plus the stuff form Masked Carnival and Blue Mage Log is just weekly, while the roulettes we already have is daily is 580 poetics and to be honest that is plenty enough. Just running for poetics and gil isn't enough to justify the amount of time invested into helping other. If they really want to incentivize it, then the better option would be to make it a Normal Job, allow it to do the things a normal job can do eliminating the problem and let it stay as a DPS and unlock the role changing ability at Level 60.

[Mariel_Crystallie]

I see where you are getting at, but with the cap being at level 70 I highly doubt the incentives to rerun unappealing dungeons isn't all that glamorous since it is alliance seals, poetics and gil. Literally there are far more effective ways to farm poetics and gil, plus the stuff form Masked Carnival and Blue Mage Log is just weekly, while the roulettes we already have is daily is 580 poetics and to be honest that is plenty enough. Just running for poetics and gil isn't enough to justify the amount of time invested into helping other. If they really want to incentivize it, then the better option would be to make it a Normal Job, allow it to do the things a normal job can do eliminating the problem and let it stay as a DPS and unlock the role changing ability at Level 60.

rewards can always be created. You can, let's say instead getting tomestone, you get the token that can be exchanged to blue skills, or bluemage AF. Yes it won't be longlasting as when instead blue mage can be queued into normal duty roulette but i think it's a good start, but sooner or later need to be removed / rewards moved somewhere else. much like treasure moogle trove thing.

[SamsonBlacke]

Blue Mage is fine the way it is

[TeraTyrantShadic]

Blue Mage is fine the way it is

Blue Mage is not fine as a Limited Job.

[Mugear_bahamut]

My latest complaint about it is how it can't be used in New Game +. I wanted to try helping my friend do the MSQ while still feeling fresh since I've done it about 6 times to Stormblood with different characters. It would've been fine if it was just the quest accept/complete that you couldn't do, but it even prevents you from accomplishing item from X mob and activate X object stuff. At least let us do something with it!

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Blue Mage is not fine as a Limited Job.

I would be worser as an unlimited one, as it would be BLU in name only.

[TeraTyrantShadic]

I would be worser as an unlimited one, as it would be BLU in name only.

Not necessarily, while I can't provide answers without definitive evidence. I highly doubt they would toss away such a good foundation they have right now to make it into a normal job. All they need now is to make a Job Gauge with it. Whats wrong with adding a Job Gauge to it? It is still Blue Mage, have a look at Final Fantasy 8 Quistis Trepe as she has Blue Magic as her Limit Break, yet she is still counted as a Blue Mage. You want one acting like a Blue Mage but not called that? FF6 with Gau, Feral Youth and Strago, Loremaster. Look at FF7, while there is Blue Magic, but it is in a materia instead. FF 9 Quina Quen, she does Blue Magic and is still a Blue Mage. FF10 with Khimari and his Ronso Rage. Each of them have different ways of learning Blue Magic, but they are still counted as Blue Mage. FFXI that is the first ever implemented version of a Blue Mage in an MMO setting and it worked, I mean the strongest Blue Magic is Locked behind 2 abilities (both have the same function but one last for one cast and the other for 30 seconds) which are Unbridled Learning and Unbridled Wisdom.

FFXIV can do the same, it won't be just by name. It won't be an exact one to one, considering during its initial release people were farming primals over and over again just to get an OGCD over 30+ times and wouldn't even get a drop and just gave up. So they had to make it so that you are guaranteed to learn the spell when you are in a synced group. In every game Blue Mage is done differently, but there is one key thing that makes a Blue Mage, and that is the ability to learn from monsters and using those abilities. They can still have that ability in a normal setting, because with what they have is a basic foundation to a perfectly normal job. They just need to add a Job Gauge and it can be played in a normal setting after they slowly tweaked or rework it

[JiSH]

I would be worser as an unlimited one, as it would be BLU in name only.

personally, i prefer losing some of the job fantasy and getting a fully properly working normal job instead of just getting a limited one that can't be used for normal contents/df, since we're talking about opinion, my stance is that i want to raid as a Blue Mage cause that's my main content, and i love Blue Mage as a job in the franchise so i was very excited when they bring it to ffxiv, but not like this lol