Online store prices are outrageously high!

[JTF-Taru]

Don't know about what's on the PS Store but a lot of what's on Steam is DLC made by third parties trying to make a quick buck off someone else's IP where licensing agreements allow it, and it's frequently of inferior quality to boot.

Please, go buy those games and that DLC if you think it's a better value.

Not true. There are plenty of AAA games on Steam. And stop telling people to leave if they don't like something. That doesn't work with countries or video games.

Again you're making no sense and it just shows that you didn't read what I posted. I didn't say you can't compare. I said any comparison you make is useless. So what if you think it's overpriced compared to some other stores' prices? If there is enough people who buy SE's store items at the given price, then SE would be incentivized to keep the price and adjust for anything they think should be priced even higher.

I'm making perfect sense and I've read exactly what you posted – you've posted it 47,000 times now. It would be impossible for anyone in this thread not to read it.

Comparisons aren't the slightest bit 'useless'. They are useful. They put things into context and show you why something is over-priced compared to something else. All over the world and throughout history, people have compared things to gauge which is better and to determine if something is fairly priced.

Acting like these comparisons have never taken place is the act of a reality denier of the worst kind. I've asked you multiple times if you ever go onto YouTube comparison videos and spend weeks telling the video makers they are wasting their time as comparisons are useless. I'm guessing you don't. So why are you spewing that nonsense here?

If people see that DLC is over-priced in this game, then they will talk about it as they are entitled to do. It may do nothing or enough of these threads may filter back to SE HQ and they drop some prices. Who knows? Telling people that they can't compare things or that comparisons are useless makes no sense when people do it all the time.

And again.. If you're buying it, it's not overpriced.

And again if you're buying something it IS over-priced (if you think it's over-priced).

Like linayar, you're trying to tell people what THEY think. You just don't get to tell people what they think. When are you going to realise that?

All over the world people buy things and then proclaim they knew they were over-paying but they bought the thing anyway. This happens all the time. To try and pretend all these people don't exist is the act of a very close-minded person.

The companies will find no reason to reduce pricing on something if people continue to purchase it. You can be unhappy with the price, you can think it's unfair.. but if you're buying it.. you are sending a message that the price is acceptable.

Buying something doesn't tell the company you don't think it's over-priced at all. Things like frequency of purchase do that – someone who buys regularly may be marked as a happy customer. Someone who plays for years and only buys one or two DLC probably won't be and will give a good indication they are possibly displeased with something.

[Krotoan]

And again if you're buying something it IS overpriced (if you think it's over-priced).

Like linayar, you're trying to tell people what THEY think. You just don't get to tell people what they think. When are you going to realise that?

All over the world people buy things and then proclaim they knew they were over-paying but they bought the thing anyway. This happens all the time. To try and pretend all these people don't exist is the act of a very close-minded person.

If you'd pay attention you'd see I'm not telling people what they're thinking. I'm saying what they're DOING. Accepting the price.. telling the companies with the "overpriced" goods that the goods will still sell, meaning that those prices will not change.

People who say one thing and then do another definitely happens. People do not take personal responsibility for their actions all the time. This doesn't change the results of their actions: The pricing does not change as the demand has not changed.

[linayar]

if you ever go onto YouTube comparison videos and spend weeks telling the video makers they are wasting their time as comparisons are useless.

It depends. If they're making useful comparison, then of course not. If they're making a useless comparison, then I won't bother watching them or commenting on their video. Comparing different games' DLC pricing would be the latter unless they're comparing it as part of the games as a whole.

[JTF-Taru]

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Yes I'm paying attention and yes you are trying to tell people what they think. Buying something over-priced will often have the result of getting the company to change their pricing. It happens all the time if people complain enough or if they don't buy very much.

Looks like you've reached that point again where you're now agreeing with someone after arguing with them for ages that the opposite applied – but you're going to carry on arguing anyway. This is part of the reason why nothing you say can be taken seriously.

You just argue and argue for the sake of it, trying to win points in your head you can never win, because all the things you say are easy to verify and disprove.

And no one is required to prove to you that two plus two doesn't equal five. No one has to prove anything to someone who has no ability to listen to reason, no ability to observe facts that don't meet with his world view and no ability to accept that the things he's saying are the opposite of what people can see with their own eyes.

No, I'm not YOU are WAAAHHH!!!

You claimed I only replied to YOU but I replied to 3 others before you. When this was pointed out to you, instead of simply admitting it, you came back with the line:

You keep quoting me I will assume you wish me to respond and you are responding to ME.

How does that reply make any sense? If I respond to you, how does that mean you're the ONLY one I'm responding to? Nothing you say is intelligent or makes any sense.

And I've never once said things are over-priced because I personally say so. There's yet another piece of rubbish you just made up. Do you ever stop? You literally just make things up and think because you said them, they are true.

You've been doing stuff like this all thread. It's utterly pathetic and it's a shame you don't see how embarrassing it is. I'm embarrassed for you.

You're just trying to project your own failings onto other people. You are one of the most close-minded forum stereotypes I have ever seen. Why would anyone listen to anything you have to say? You are someone who claims millions of people and thousands of companies throughout history have never done things they've done - things that everyone else can see with their own eyes.

I'll say it again, no matter how many times you throw your tantrums and try and push your ignorant and provably false beliefs onto people, you can't over-ride fact and reality and history. You can't tell people what to think, you can't tell people that historical events never happened and you can't claim rubbish like paying for something means it isn't over-priced or means you're telling the company something different to what you think. No matter how much you smash your fists against the keyboard, you can't change the reality of the world around you.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Yes I'm paying attention and yes you are trying to tell people what they think. Buying something over-priced will often have the result of getting the company to change their pricing. It happens all the time if people complain enough or if they don't buy very much.

Looks like you've reached that point again where you're now agreeing with someone after arguing with them for ages that the opposite applied – but you're going to carry on arguing anyway. This is part of the reason why nothing you say can be taken seriously.

You just argue and argue for the sake of it, trying to win points in your head you can never win, because all the things you say are easy to verify and disprove.

And no one is required to prove to you that two plus two doesn't equal five. No one has to prove anything to someone who has no ability to listen to reason, no ability to observe facts that don't meet with his world view and no ability to accept that the things he's saying are the opposite of what people can see with their own eyes.



You claimed I only replied to YOU but I replied to 3 others before you. When this was pointed out to you, instead of simply admitting it, you came back with the line:

You keep quoting me I will assume you wish me to respond and you are responding to ME.

How does that reply make any sense? If I respond to you, how does that mean you're the ONLY one I'm responding to? Nothing you say is intelligent or makes any sense.

And I've never once said things are over-priced because I personally say so. There's yet another piece of rubbish you just made up. Do you ever stop? You literally just make things up and think because you said them, they are true.

You've been doing stuff like this all thread. It's utterly pathetic and it's a shame you don't see how embarrassing it is. I'm embarrassed for you.

You're just trying to project your own failings onto other people. You are one of the most close-minded forum stereotypes I have ever seen. Why would anyone listen to anything you have to say? You are someone who claims millions of people and thousands of companies throughout history have never done things they've done - things that everyone else can see with their own eyes.

I'll say it again, no matter how many times you throw your tantrums and try and push your ignorant and provably false beliefs onto people, you can't over-ride fact and reality and history. You can't tell people what to think, you can't tell people that historical events never happened and you can't claim rubbish like paying for something means it isn't over-priced or means you're telling the company something different to what you think. No matter how much you smash your fists against the keyboard, you can't change the reality of the world around you.

Jesus Christ, the tantrum level and amount of projection on this post is staggering.

What part of "if you are buying something, you're telling the seller the price is OK" have you not understood?!?

You're the one throwing the tantrum, you're the one overriding and overwriting reality and history, because you bought stuff from the cash shop and are now claiming it's overpriced to save face and virtue signal

Your problem isn't cash shop being overpriced (it isn't), it's impulse control, buyer's guilt and projection of your own responsibilities and guilt to the shop.

[Krotoan]

Yes I'm paying attention and yes you are trying to tell people what they think. Buying something over-priced will often have the result of getting the company to change their pricing. It happens all the time if people complain enough or if they don't buy very much.

One more time. I'm telling you what your ACTIONS.. are telling the SELLER. Not what you are thinking.

Looks like you've reached that point again where you're now agreeing with someone after arguing with them for ages that the opposite applied – but you're going to carry on arguing anyway. This is part of the reason why nothing you say can be taken seriously.

I don't see anywhere I agree with your position. You may find places where we agree on particular points and I've never said you're completely wrong, just that your perspective is skewed and biased.

You just argue and argue for the sake of it, trying to win points in your head you can never win, because all the things you say are easy to verify and disprove.

I've yet to see you disprove one of them with anything other than personal POV stubbornness. I don't need to "win" my perspective and knowledge. They are set.

And no one is required to prove to you that two plus two doesn't equal five.

well.. honestly you would. Because actual math says otherwise. If that was your claim. What was your point here?

No one has to prove anything to someone who has no ability to listen to reason, no ability to observe facts that don't meet with his world view and no ability to accept that the things he's saying are the opposite of what people can see with their own eyes.

Considering what you're claiming is in opposition to reality: The cash shop prices have remained the same for specific types of cosmetics (rehashed events, originals, regionals, mounts, multiseater mounts of differing capacity) since inception, it seems I am not the one opposing what is easily observable.

You claimed I only replied to YOU but I replied to 3 others before you. When this was pointed out to you, instead of simply admitting it, you came back with the line:

You keep quoting me I will assume you wish me to respond and you are responding to ME.

How does that reply make any sense? If I respond to you, how does that mean you're the ONLY one I'm responding to? Nothing you say is intelligent or makes any sense.

Alright my mistake with the JUST.. however you did especially quote me in your reply, it seems you want my attention.

And I've never once said things are over-priced because I personally say so. There's yet another piece of rubbish you just made up. Do you ever stop? You literally just make things up and think because you said them, they are true.

You are very much saying so by refusing to provide any proof of the opposite besides "it's easy go look for yourself".

You've been doing stuff like this all thread. It's utterly pathetic and it's a shame you don't see how embarrassing it is. I'm embarrassed for you.

Weird. I'm gonna suggest your embarrassment is misplaced, I'm fine thank you. I stand behind everything I say 100%.

You're just trying to project your own failings onto other people. You are one of the most close-minded forum stereotypes I have ever seen. Why would anyone listen to anything you have to say? You are someone who claims millions of people and thousands of companies throughout history have never done things they've done - things that everyone else can see with their own eyes.

I'm not the one denying their own actions with claims that as long as I say something my actions are meaningless. You keep saying people can just SEE it, yet you refuse to see that your claims are failing in the face of the evidence: The prices remain because the demand persists.

I'll say it again, no matter how many times you throw your tantrums and try and push your ignorant and provably false beliefs onto people, you can't over-ride fact and reality and history.

Please.. provide..examples. I can help on the tantrum part though: stop imagining my posts being yelled, because they aren't. I'm perfectly calm and consider this a polite and conversational tone. If my method of conversation is agitating you (it seems it is but I won't tell you how you're feeling =]) then I will stop.

You can't tell people what to think, you can't tell people that historical events never happened and you can't claim rubbish like paying for something means it isn't over-priced or means you're telling the company something different to what you think.

People and companies cannot know your thoughts, that would be terrifying, they can only know what your actions tell them.

No matter how much you smash your fists against the keyboard, you can't change the reality of the world around you.

.. I mean.. that would look like this :iidekuriweurkwu32y4jie4s3w587i7o9ue4r53d8ui7o9ikuy8wsin6uymer5a
So maybe stop exaggerating a little. Or we can stop talking to each other if all you're going to do is accuse me of raging when I clearly am not.

[JTF-Taru]

Jesus Christ, the tantrum level and amount of projection on this post is staggering.

What part of "if you are buying something, you're telling the seller the price is OK" have you not understood?!?

You're the one throwing the tantrum, you're the one overriding and overwriting reality and history, because you bought stuff from the cash shop and are now claiming it's overpriced to save face and virtue signal

Your problem isn't cash shop being overpriced (it isn't), it's impulse control, buyer's guilt and projection of your own responsibilities and guilt to the shop.

JohnSpawnVFX, you are someone who spends half your life going into other people's threads just to argue with them or be negative, condescending, rude or obnoxious for the sake of it. You often prattle on about being logical and not emotional, but most of your posts are emotion-based attempts to pass your myopic opinion off as fact. Your superiority complex isn't warranted when so much of what you post is just stereotypical sarcastic or condescending forum fodder.

So don't talk to other people about tantrums, projection, history and reality revision etc. please. You're just pasting back at me the things I wrote about other people when it makes no sense to do so.

And what part of if you buy something you are NOT telling the seller the price is okay didn't you understand? Companies work on targets and projections. They aim to sell X amount of something. Companies don't assume customers don't think something is expensive, just because they buy it – especially when that company has a monopoly on the things they sell, like SE.

And I have never ever bought anything at all from the cash shop so the rest of your rant is just baffling, factually wrong, irrelevant and unnecessary. Like pretty much everything else you have ever said on this forum.

Have a pleasant day.

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Why do you keep posting this stuff over and over? I got what you're saying the first time you posted it weeks ago. I posted specific reasons why it's not the case. I can go and post the same answers here again but then we are literally spamming the same posts. Just go back and read my reply the first 17 times I responded to this. It all still applies.

Although I guess I should be glad you've finally acknowledged people are allowed to compare things. Small steps I suppose...

[linayar]

Why do you keep posting this stuff over and over? I got what you're saying the first time you posted it weeks ago. I posted specific reasons why it's not the case.

Nope, you never showed how people comparing things should make SE change their pricing if there are enough people buying them.

[JTF-Taru]

Usual Krotoan copy and paste shtick

Krotoan, like linayar you keep posting the same stuff over and over. Pretty much everything you post has been disproved and / or responded to multiple times already. Why are you spamming the thread with this same stuff over and over? It's just going to get the same answers.

Your point about what you're telling the seller isn't correct. It wasn't correct before, it still isn't. As mentioned above and in previous posts, companies work on targets and projections. They aim to sell X amount of something. Companies don't assume customers don't think something is expensive, just because they buy it – especially when that company has a monopoly on the things they sell, like SE. They look at their statistics, records, projections and targets etc. over large time periods to determine what customers think of their products.

According to your bizarre logic, no company in the history of business has ever reduced prices on anything that ever sold so much as a single instance. Because according to you, when people buy something, that tells the seller the price isn't too much. Yet we live in a world full of sales so clearly that isn't true.

I will repeat yet again, just because people buy something that does not mean it tells the seller the price isn't too expensive. It never has before with any other business, it doesn't here with SE and their DLC.

Why are you bringing up the cash shop not changing its prices? That's one of MY points. We even know that the sales figures for many of the items are rubbish as someone posted a link earlier in the thread detailing the popularity of certain items.

None of that is relevant though. This game isn't in isolation. People have a whole world of video games and DLC to compare with which is why they know that the prices are too much for many of the items.

I don't know why you keep asking for 'proof'. I literally gave you 2 sites to visit. I don't care if you visit them or not. No one needs to prove to you that 2+2 doesn't = 5. I cannot believe you really believe that the Steam site and the PS Store have no DLC cheaper than that which the cash shop offers. I don't spoon feed people but I did offer you multiple times a deal where I would be prepared to waste minutes of my precious time finding specific examples for you but you haven't taken the deal once. It's still available.

Or we can stop talking to each other

If my method of conversation is agitating you (it seems it is but I won't tell you how you're feeling =]) then I will stop.

I don't care if you stay or go. I have a new BFF now in JohnSpawnVFX.

[Jojoya]

And stop telling people to leave if they don't like something.

I didn't tell anyone to leave. I didn't tell anyone to quit.

I said to buy those things if you think those things are better.

You do know people are allowed to play more than one game, don't you? I do it all the time. Try it, it's fun.