Toxic WHM Glare spammers

[Enla]

Honestly if you notice one job being played worse than the others it's almost always just a confirmation bias on your part. We notice the bad players far more than we notice the good ones already and when you're already predisposed to feeling one job has a lagging skill floor then you're more likely to pick up on infractions made by people playing it. I did the same thing in regards to AST players for the longest time back during HW and SB. Not because AST players are genuinely more likely to be bad, but because the few bad ones I encountered made me hyper aware of mistakes going forward. Which then made me watch AST players a lot more closely than I would any other healer. Couple that with me being a SCH main and the fact that newbie AST's often don't know you can't stack shields and it's pretty obvious that I'd develop an erroneous sense that the job itself just attracted bad players. Doesn't mean it's true however, and once I got my head out of my rump and stopped hyper focusing on the AST players it became pretty clear that they didn't attract poor play anymore than the other classes. I was just ignoring the vast majority of the people playing the job to feed into my own complex.

Best advice? Step back, breathe, and stop hyper focusing on WHM players in expectation of them making a mistake. You're only going to feed your own irritation when one inevitably does no matter how long it might take.

[Hatfright]

If you're incompetent you should study up and learn how your job works before entering any content with an enrage.

That isn't a hot take. It isn't being the fun police. It's just being considerate.

I could care less about your unfounded WHM prejudices, you're only hurting yourselves.

Oh, I agree, if healers cant heal the party to the full during doom over and over, they should be replaced, and thats exactly what I do. Not a fan of me clemensing the party to victory cuz someone not doing their job. Not my fault they're glaring WHMs most of my runs. Had enough of that, I'd rather spend my time waiting for AST\SCH in PF for 2 min longer than pick up WHM and then spend 20 min diyin to that same "doom". It's not like I'm forcing anybody else to do the same, so I don't see why are you so desperate to convince me I shouldn't do that.
And "incompetence" is a little to serious word for a game, don't you think tho?

[RajNish]

Honestly if you notice one job being played worse than the others it's almost always just a confirmation bias on your part. We notice the bad players far more than we notice the good ones already and when you're already predisposed to feeling one job has a lagging skill floor then you're more likely to pick up on infractions made by people playing it. I did the same thing in regards to AST players for the longest time back during HW and SB. Not because AST players are genuinely more likely to be bad, but because the few bad ones I encountered made me hyper aware of mistakes going forward. Which then made me watch AST players a lot more closely than I would any other healer. Couple that with me being a SCH main and the fact that newbie AST's often don't know you can't stack shields and it's pretty obvious that I'd develop an erroneous sense that the job itself just attracted bad players. Doesn't mean it's true however, and once I got my head out of my rump and stopped hyper focusing on the AST players it became pretty clear that they didn't attract poor play anymore than the other classes. I was just ignoring the vast majority of the people playing the job to feed into my own complex.

Best advice? Step back, breathe, and stop hyper focusing on WHM players in expectation of them making a mistake. You're only going to feed your own irritation when one inevitably does no matter how long it might take.

I understand what you are talking about, and that sounds reasonable. Thanks for these words. But these people will not think about what they are doing if I'll take even two steps back. There are inexperienced players, and there are simply irresponsible ones. It’s not that I’m very annoyed with them, but leaving the party or kicking is not very pleasant.

[Thoosa]

Tbh all healer jobs can blindly spam their attack spell and dot and just ignore party death and let their partner healer solo heal. I don’t care if you spam dps spells because it helps getting past enrage, but I do care if all you do is spam dps spells and expect me to solo heal the fight. To mitigate this, SE could just increase incoming damage for healers to handle. Some extra healing would be nice over just mashing one dps spell.

[RajNish]

Tbh all healer jobs can blindly spam their attack spell and dot and just ignore party death and let their partner healer solo heal. I don’t care if you spam dps spells because it helps getting past enrage, but I do care if all you do is spam dps spells and expect me to solo heal the fight. To mitigate this, SE could just increase incoming damage for healers to handle. Some extra healing would be nice over just mashing one dps spell.

I don't think increasing the incoming damage will help in this situation. With each new tier of gear, even though synchronized, this damage decreases. WHM is an imbalance class, despite its really brilliant performance, it needs to be reworked. Some people complain that they are bored with healing or saying that they can fix everything using one skill. Probably, if this class were better balanced, this would not have happened. But balancing it so that originality are not lost is a very long and delicate job.

[Veis_Alveare]

Oh, I agree, if healers cant heal the party to the full during doom over and over, they should be replaced, and thats exactly what I do. Not a fan of me clemensing the party to victory cuz someone not doing their job. Not my fault they're glaring WHMs most of my runs. Had enough of that, I'd rather spend my time waiting for AST\SCH in PF for 2 min longer than pick up WHM and then spend 20 min diyin to that same "doom". It's not like I'm forcing anybody else to do the same, so I don't see why are you so desperate to convince me I shouldn't do that.
And "incompetence" is a little to serious word for a game, don't you think tho?

If you aren't competent (as this thread would lead me to believe about you and your cohort) then incompetence seems like a perfect word to use here.

If you think holding out for the healers who have less access to on-demand lifesaving heals is smart it only goes to prove my point more.

[Hatfright]

If you aren't competent (as this thread would lead me to believe about you and your cohort) then incompetence seems like a perfect word to use here.
If you think holding out for the healers who have less access to on-demand lifesaving heals is smart it only goes to prove my point more.

I'm lost. So am I "incompetent" for not knowing how my job works or for refusing to waste my time with lazy healers? Pick one already.
Refusing to deal with "I have so many options to save everybody, but I won't, cuz GLARE" is my choise and since you have a veeery little chance to run into me on your own clears of whatevers, I don't see how is it your probrem besides your hurt WHM feelings.

Tbh all healer jobs can blindly spam their attack spell and dot and just ignore party death and let their partner healer solo heal. I don’t care if you spam dps spells because it helps getting past enrage, but I do care if all you do is spam dps spells and expect me to solo heal the fight. To mitigate this, SE could just increase incoming damage for healers to handle. Some extra healing would be nice over just mashing one dps spell.

Or decrease healing potency. Less time to blindly spam whatever, more time stategizing. Scripted fights tho, won't be so much of a fun either way. And just imagine how many people'll start a forum crusade of "basic content is too hard".

[Veis_Alveare]

I'm lost. So am I "incompetent" for not knowing how my job works or for refusing to waste my time with lazy healers? Pick one already.
Refusing to deal with "I have so many options to save everybody, but I won't, cuz GLARE" is my choise and since you have a veeery little chance to run into me on your own clears of whatevers, I don't see how is it your probrem besides your hurt WHM feelings.

Or decrease healing potency. Less time to blindly spam whatever, more time stategizing. Scripted fights tho, won't be so much of a fun either way. And just imagine how many people'll start a forum crusade of "basic content is too hard".

I didn't call you incompetent, don't put words in my mouth. I said based on this thread I would believe that you were. There's a difference.

You two are on Spriggan, there's literally no chance of me encountering you. Please don't make alts on Primal I guess?

I'm not a WHM main and haven't been for more than two years now.

Okay, now that I've corrected all the things you're objectively wrong about for what feels like the fifth time...

The reason I'd wager you don't really know what you're doing is simple. You're complaining about another healer "spamming their attack spell" as if you couldn't just heal the party yourself and just be happy they're at least dpsing at all. You white knighted your friend (both with hidden logs btw) who has created a topic that discourages the proper play of WHM when there are enough curebots out there already.

So yeah. You guys aren't doing much to inspire confidence in your ability to play the game, much less to critique the way others are playing.

[Hatfright]

I didn't call you incompetent, don't put words in my mouth. I said based on this thread I would believe that you were. There's a difference.

You two are on Spriggan, there's literally no chance of me encountering you. Please don't make alts on Primal I guess?

I'm not a WHM main and haven't been for more than two years now.

Okay, now that I've corrected all the things you're objectively wrong about for what feels like the fifth time...

The reason I'd wager you don't really know what you're doing is simple. You're complaining about another healer "spamming their attack spell" as if you couldn't just heal the party yourself and just be happy they're at least dpsing at all. You white knighted your friend (both with hidden logs btw) who has created a topic that discourages the proper play of WHM when there are enough curebots out there already.

So yeah. You guys aren't doing much to inspire confidence in your ability to play the game, much less to critique the way others are playing.

No, I can't just heal the whole party. You know why? I'm usually a guy takin the most beating. As, you know, a tank. Don't tell me you want a tank to heal trough "Doom" while WHM tries to glare their way despite knowing if they wont full everybodys hp bar during that we'll all die and have to restart the whole fight. Again, wiped to many times at exactly that, w\o a single ODCD from our precios little spammers. Not a fan of it. Which I stated more than once. Not like you read that properly. Why don't you re-read the very first post in the topic. There is nothing that says "All you WHMs are baddies", but there's a clear acknowledgment of subjective expirience with some bad WHMs who done exactly zero healing. Yet so many people started to defend themselfs like their life depended on it. L. O. L.

And what is a log even?

[Veis_Alveare]

No, I can't just heal the whole party. You know why? I'm usually a guy takin the most beating. As, you know, a tank. Don't tell me you want a tank to heal trough "Doom" while WHM tries to glare their way despite knowing if they wont full everybodys hp bar during that we'll all die and have to restart the whole fight. Again, wiped to many times at exactly that, w\o a single ODCD from our precios little spammers. Not a fan of it. Which I stated more than once. Not like you read that properly. Why don't you re-read the very first post in the topic. There is nothing that says "All you WHMs are baddies", but there's a clear acknowledgment of subjective expirience with some bad WHMs who done exactly zero healing. Yet so many people started to defend themselfs like their life depended on it. L. O. L.

And what is a log even?

You know what a log is because you've gone through the trouble of hiding them. Don't play dumb, it's not a good look.

If you're tanking and you think AST and SCH will have an easier time healing you to full I'd call that a lack of understanding of healer kits on your part. As a WHM it's real easy to pop plenary+Cure3 there for tanks and healers, similar to orb phase back on chaos. I've farmed 99 totems for my mount then helped others and I don't recall any time beyond like the first week or so that I've had to use more than my Star there with a WHM. It's actually spicier with SCH as an AST since they'll indom but indom+star won't mean full HP. I usually suck it up then and will Horoscope+Aspected Helios as well. Maybe a CO to be safe.

Point is I've done this fight plenty. It doesn't take very much healing, just like the nier raid your friend was talking about. It's easy content. There's no way you're dying left and right to lack of heals unless there's something else going on here.